Timmermans is a very important candidate in The Netherlands that is having snap elections in November after prime minister Rutte finally decided to not run for his party once more after thirteen years of neoliberal governments.

It’s an ideal moment for Timmermans to switch, because waiting until EU elections would mean he could not participate in the upcoming elections in The Netherlands.

That would likely mean the neoliberal VVD or farmer’s party BBB would become largest and might even form an (extreme) right wing coalition just like happened in in several member states.

It’s probably better for the EU that Timmermans switches now.

Moorman en Aboutaleb steunen Timmermans.

Een gelopen race voor Timmermans dus. En ik zie niet dat de andere lijsttrekkers als serieuze MP kandidaten worden gezien door kiezers. Dat zal dus extra stemmers (ook uit rechts) kunnen opleveren. Timmermans heeft daarnaast een achterban in Limburg, dus ook PVV kan verwachten dat kiezers overstappen.

Well… it does help somewhat, I guess. The combination of Voyager with that instance apparently is working for you.

Set your Interface Language to your main spoken language

I already had selected them all including undetermined, because I want to read and reply in any language.

If your Interface Language was already set, the issue you have replying to comments can be related to the language of the parent comment or post.

That’s what I think, because it only happens now and then.

As @UnanimousStargazer@feddit.nl mentioned in their comment, if you try to reply to a Undetermined comment/post in Lemmy via browser (not Voyager) it just shows a spinning loading button when you hit Post.

That’s my own comment.

A work around is to reply to the comment directly on your Lemmy server via a web browser (not in Voyager), and select a language other than Undermined on the dropdown near the below the text field of your comment.

That’s what I indeed did.

The parent comment/post issue is with Lemmy rather than Voyager, but Voyager are tracking the issue here.

I know. Thanks!

I would be a proponent of only upvotes that are public, just like Kbin does.

I might in fact switch to Kbin just for that, but Voyager doesn’t work with Kbin.

Only upvotes / favorites is what Mastodon uses as well. It’s the downvotes of those who don’t react that can make a platform toxic. Not because the downvoters intend to, but because the author of the downvoted comment doesn’t know why it’s downvoted.

Ik had Klaver geen slechte lijsttrekker gevonden, maar er zit meer in het vat als hij iemand anders die kans laat. En dat ziet Klaver zelf ook.

Waarschijnlijk wordt het Timmermans als lijsttrekker of kandidaat-MP met een andere lijsttrekker/fractieleider.

The developers can bring out both.

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So you prefer an app that conceals information, even if other can see who up- and downvotes?

This sounds like a variation of ‘security by obscurity’.

But it’s already possible. If you review this OP on a Kbin instance, you’ll see who upvoted the comment with most upvotes.

Not integrating it means you give the impression to users it’s not public information. But it is public.

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Yeah, I agree this unwanted behavior of Lemmy. It’s a variation on ‘security by obscurity’. It’s ‘social security’ by obscurity. Except that it isn’t obscure at all.

I didn’t know Kbin users could see the upvotes, but I’ve just discovered that kbin users only see favorites. Just like on Mastodon.

Check out the Kbin page @banaflip@kbin.social shared in another comment. You can see who upvoted your comment under ‘activity’. If you upvote my comment, my comment favorite count increases with one. And you can see you are one of the ‘upvoters’ under favorites.

If however you downvote my comment, one of the favorites appears to get removed. By you. Even if you didn’t upvote before. At least, that’s what I think happened when I tried this on another comment.

Well, that’s about it. But isn’t this strange?

• Upvotes/downvotes are actually favorites on Kbin
• If a Lemmy user downvotes a Kbin comment, one favorite gets removed

At least, that’s what appears to be happening. You can check for yourself with the link provided to the Kbin instance above.

Interesting. But that’s more like the Mastodon favorite I guess. And considering the heavy Mastodon/Kbin similarities, that’s not surprising of course.

There’s also a downvote and upvote section, but those are all empty.

I’ll deliberately try to downvote your comment to see what happens.

Edit: indeed, there’s no downvote. Just one less upvote. How does this work?

Edit2: I’ve undone my downvote and now two favorites show again. But what’s weird is that my downvote simply removed the upvote of the (first?) upvoter of your comment. Is this really what Kbin does? You cannot start removing upvotes of random other users can you?

Isn’t that weird?

Kbin users can see it, admins can see it, but Lemmy users cannot.

Apparently, Kbin users can also see what Lemmy users upvote them. Is that correct?

if not most mobile apps don’t even support DMs at all, so you can use those.

Thanks for the suggestion, but that’s not a suitable work around for me.

I use Voyager and consider it by far the best client, but I’m not going to switch apps because Lemmy doesn’t allow DMs to be blocked.

It’s also not just about hiding, but the sender should be aware the DM cannot be send.

You cannot block a user that already send you a message.

You also cannot delete a DM unless the administrator helps you. If you receive abusive material you’re more or less stuck with it.

I don’t want DMs, but I must accept them now.

I’ve noticed this behavior outside Voyager as well.

After I logged into the Lemmy instance on which the OP was hosted (which happened to be the instance on which I was logged into Voyager), I noticed there was a language drop down menu from which I could choose a language that describes the language of my comment.

It’s not populated with languages if I only select ‘undetermined’ in my account, the drop down meny only allowed ‘undetermined’. When I selected all possible languages, the drop down menu showed all those options.

When I chose ‘undetermined’ I couldn’t post a comment in the web-interface either. But after I chose the language of the OP, the comment could be submitted. After that, the comments on the same OP could be submitted from Voyager as well.

I think there’s something strange going on with Lemmy and/or instance settings.