Sounds like a discussion about if someone likes apples or pears

It’s the misleading exclamation mark. If I see this picture, my impression is that kitty works only with issues on Linux

Would there be much of a difference in the modern world?

At least regarding the languages you speak it makes a difference. I swear, that the usage of “liberal” is nothing I find very often in marxist discussions or writings in german. Otherwise I would not ask this questions, which also got already answered.

In german this writing from Mao is translated as “Gegen den Liberalismus”, created in the late 30s. Few years ago Thälmann still almost always mentuoned bourgeois, but not liberal that much. This where my question came from. Simply using now “liberal” probably makes sense in the english speaking world. But at least where I live it is not common to use it in that way.

• all liberal societies, etc, are bourgeois

• not all bourgeois societies/arrangements are liberal

• liberalism is the dominant bourgeois form

I totally agree with this! This is how I understood it.

• the US has no reason to distinguish liberalism from other political economies or ideologies because bourgeois liberalism is presented as the only option (and bourgeois seem to believe that capitalism is the only option without any question)

• the English-speaking internet is dominated by US platforms, media, and people

• English speakers mostly hear the US usage, meaning the US usage is common

I understood it now. First time I encountered the SLS subreddit I was kind of confused. Like, why are things labeled as liberal, when a party or country is not liberal. But how you explained it, it makes sense.

Your English is good, btw. It’s definitely good enough to explain what you mean about liberal/bourgeois. The fact that you have been misunderstood is not because of your English. I think it is because of the exact problem that you have identified—the confusion between liberal/bourgeois.

Thank you for your compliment. I understand it now better thanks to you all. Great to have a place to ask questions and receive friendly answers!

Ahhh, I think I start to understand! Thank you, you helped me alot! I was just confused, because I first encountered this kind of usage of this word when I started to engage more in english speaking spheres, to learn better english. But now it all makes more sense.

Maybe I formulated my question not good enough and should stick more to DeepL.

I asked, why in english social media, especially in marxist places, people talk about liberals and I also explained why it sounds odd to me if I translate it into the language I mostly use - and english is not part of it. Also I told which word is used instead. So can I just translate “liberal party” to “bourgeois party” aka “bürgerliche Partei” like it would be said here and back?

I already explained it. The german writings of Marx mention something as “bourgeois” by the word “bürgerlich”. It is a total normal german word, it is widley used, like in political context not only in marxist spheres. Look here

Liberal and capitalist, in my personal opinion, are more exact descriptions of what we have, as an apologist and economic class… in the Anglophone world…

Also if you are discussing the character of fascist Germany, do you say then something like:“Fascist Germany was liberal in its core but different in the outside compared to the USA”?

“bourgeois”, to me, has a connotation of the precursor of the capitalist class, being little smol beans living in towns (burghs), during medieval times… literally as a ‘middle’ class

They obviously don’t carry this title anymore, do they

Hmm, not for me tbh. They have precursors ideend. But my understand is mostly like that of Marx and Engels:

By bourgeosie is meant the class of modern capitalists, owners of the means of social production and employers of wage labour.

Funfact I learned now: Bobo is listened as an abbreviation for bourgeoisie on Wiktionary. I will remember this. Gulagtime for the Bobo.

Tbh, bourgeois as the frech word itself I only use if I speak russian, there is no alternative. Soeaking german I use the word which was and it is still used.

The bourgeois society used by Marx as “bürgerliche Gesellschaft” has the same correctness today and is widely used. “Bürgerliche Partei” - bourgeois party - and “Liberalle Partei” - liberal party, have different meaning and are used in its different meaning by marxists and also non-marxists.

I remember when a local newspaper wrote an article with the headline translated:“The abyss of a bourgeois marriage”, and in the comments people were hurt why especially “bourgeois marriage” lol.

Important for me is just to know how to handle these words in english. Liberal = bourgeois here? If I say that something is bourgeois, am I understood than? Or do I need to name it liberal?

The outing thing is important, you are right.

Yes, meaning of words change. But I live in a place, where liberal is mostly used if it is meant as it is by definition.

I personally think that the usage of words in the context of marxist discussions has be correct, if it is of course one. But even the in english speaking spheres it is almost all about liberal here and there. And this is what confuses me, because I can’t understand it well. I only encounter it in english speaking social media.

The most stupid think that immigrated to the political language ductus in Germany is “tanky” btw.

bourgeois now is a historical term to me

Idk, bourgeois or translated as “bürgerlich” here is an normal word, nothing historical at all and is still used in marxist discussions. It would be very strange if I start referring to something as “liberal”. If a local comrade says, that the SPD is a bourgeois (bürgerliche) party, I understand it instantly. But liberal would be odd.

Every bugfix is a CVE. Even if it is maybe not a security problem in first place, but it might be one in the kernel context, so everything is a CVE. Also other CVEs from other applications, open source or not, doesn’t have to mean that much. You have to see those database quite critical. Especially if you need very esoteric, almost magical methods to exploit.

When the people of the Linux Kernel started flooding them, because every bug is a security problem, those Database providers were and are very happy. It makes good money, those data is seller from other providers to companies. And now you really have to use their service, because the kernel have soooooooo many security problems! It is not like developers or security teams are happy about this shit. But if the senior leaders insist on use those CVEs, you don’t have any choice. And it is not that unusual, that it is not needed to address them.

The Linux Kernel can provide and provides more security when you use them. It is the decision of the distribution if they want to enable selinux or apparmor, enable kernel options, which make your system more hardened with memory encryption, page poison or kernel lock down and and and. Since this is only the kernel, the userland can provide more features, which some distributions also enables.

The way you can elevate applications and define special rights for the usage of devices or OS functions, is incomparable to standard Windows. Would only user, group and rwx exist, they wouldn’t be any lxc, podman, docker or whatever today. Windows does not the same now. Windows does it different and can’t do some things regarding elevation of rights and their restriction by design.

Linux Kernel provides more security techniques than Windows indeed, but they need to be used. To point out CVEs is kind of stupid. The Linux kernel never commited any entries to the CVE database for years, they started since February 2024 doing so, because they gave up on their opposition. They warned, if they do this now, the databases will get flooded with CVEs. Because in the kernel context, every bug counts as a security problem, if you look at it from the right perspective. This is a difference to Windows CVEs.

Of course this is great for those CVEs database providers because they now can sell their stuff happily.

What you need are not CVE entries for the Linux Kernel, but the latest supported Linux Kernel installed.

And srsly: Antivirus is snake oil. Using software with Administrator rights in Windows or even Linux, which parses every file, is fucking dangerous. It is usable on a mailserver, where the antivirus process is containerised or virtualized.

And what is the point with firewalls I read here? The most distros have firewalls enabled. When were they not there? Iptables was always there and I had to configure it, so I could allow or disallow incoming traffic. I almost never had to install it manually.

Edit:

Regarding CVEs, here the what Linux CNA tells:

Note, due to the layer at which the Linux kernel is in a system, almost any bug might be exploitable to compromise the security of the kernel, but the possibility of exploitation is often not evident when the bug is fixed. Because of this, the CVE assignment team is overly cautious and assign CVE numbers to any bugfix that they identify. This explains the seemingly large number of CVEs that are issued by the Linux kernel team.

Source

Any bugfix is a CVE

I did it few times between 2008 and 2010 when I was way younger. Idk how I did it, but after two times I was used to it and learned also a lot. Today I don’t have the nerves to install arch without archinstall or anarchy. The wiki helped me a lot. The wiki gives an excellent guide to install arch and to set up everything you need. It is well written enough, that no deep Linux knowledge is needed

The archlinux wiki is great for everything. I used it when I had Fedora, Debian or sometimes if I used OpenBSD.

This is long text. But it is maybe interesting, because I tell about my relatives and german villages in Siberia.

However, the Germans many regions of Russia had arrived during Tsarist times as settlers and had often been in the nobility, which made many of them counterrevolutionary.

It highly depends. Most were also just peasents which were suffering from kulaks. The Germans arriving in tsarist Russia were just peasants which were invited by tsar Katharina, she promised many things. And almost nothing of those promises could be fulfilled. I don’t know how many of these peasants actually became peasants, because I don’t know much about Volga Germans. I also don’t know if it was right or wrong to deport them.

But I can tell something about my ancestors. My grand-grand-grandfather was a rich german guy who arrived in southern Siberia and founded a village, where other germans settlers moved in. They didn’t liked them, because he was a shitty kulak who expropriated them.

He always had an argument with my grand-grandfather and inherited nothing to him. That’s why he started to dislike kulaks and supported the bolsheviks, like other settlers there. After the revolution the german villages hat names like “Rosa” (Referring to Rosa Luxemburg). Other names remained.

The interesting part was then the second world war. One relative, a descendet from my grand-granduncle, was in the Red Army and fought also against fascist Germany. But he got captured and was treated very, very well, because he was german. Well in the end he joined the Wehrmacht, while other still remained in the Red Army. Idk if he was also in Berlin, at least my russian grand-grandfather fought against germans in Berlin. Weird constellation to be honest.

The german dude settled somewhere in Stuttgart and had a good life, West-Germany treated him well. Later he wrote a book about it and released it. Dont know its name, my grandfather died few years ago so I can’t ask him about his name again. Never heard from any of my relatives ever something positive about nazism. I have so so many relatives, its insane. Enough in Russia, Germany and somehow before the revolution the kulak part settled into the USA lol

It is an interesting micro cosmos. But as I said, I don’t know much about Volga Germans, I never met one. But if I think about this relative who joined the Wehrmacht in the end, it was maybe right do deport them, I don’t know. I mean he was not a fascist in first place, but Germany made him joining the Wehrmacht. I can imagine they could have done something like that to the Volga Germans. Treating them very well and and and.

Rising of the Pigeon - Ultimate Edition

She was lovely modeled in an egg and kept warm by her mother and me and my wife <3

Jeff. My name is Jeff.

The comments are weird:

However, his videos are really stupid and often straight false. I wrote this comment from OnePlus Nord -12GB Ram - with LineageOS 21 using the NeverSettle Kernel (Not Apple!!!).

I dont have a list, but I usually use this site. It also does not only show Linux distributions, but also software products like nginx, mariadb or programming languages like go, rust and python.

Edit: Some Linux distributions habe older software, which they support with security updates and also stay on one kernel version. Fedora as example gives you a new kernel after few weeks. Maybe you can be more concrete

Great! What do you want to do now? Where do you plan to use it?