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@5dh @fediverse Financial incentive is not the only possible cause. If project leaders stop listening to their users for some other reason, you’ll get the same result.
And there is another, more subtle problem: protocol bloat. Fediverse services are getting more and more complicated, and the cost of creating a new platform is constantly increasing. If this problem is not addressed, at some point Fediverse will start looking like a web browser market, where new players can’t compete due to an immense implementation complexity.

@deadsuperhero @fediverse You cite an abandoned project and withdrawn WebMonetization FEP and then say “most efforts have not advanced beyond the planning stages”. This statement is misleading because those planning stages are far behind us. Mitra had subscriptions since 2022 and there are other projects that provide monetization options, like PeerTube Lightning plugin and PeerTube Premium Users plugin. FEP-0ea0 and FEP-0837 were published and implemented. Your co-author @quillmatiq should be well aware of these developments because we talked about it

@deadsuperhero @fediverse

Why did’t you mention Mitra, the open source and fully decentralized Fediverse service that also offers paid subscriptions, and which has been around for several years?

@maegul @fediverse Some ActivityPub implementations already work as social media browsers. For example, my server can interact with microblogs, but also forums, blogs, events etc. The more activity / object types are supported, the closer software is to a browser.

@nihilist @monero Consider the following situations:

- Bob and Arbitrator are colluding against Alice
- Bob and Arbitrator are the same person

I think this system needs a higher authority to function properly. And there’s a simple non-technical solution to this problem. If you don’t agree with Arbitrator’s ruling, you make the case public and provide proofs. As a result, Arbitrator’s reputation is destroyed.

Someone can even create a rating service similar to @kycnotme that will list arbitrators with good reputation

@pomstan

Yes.

https://github.com/discourse/discourse-activity-pub

It is currently being tested at SocialHub (though only selected topics are federated, @feps@socialhub.activitypub.rocks and a couple of others)

@monero @OrangeFren

@OrangeFren @monero Activity in Lemmy network might have subsided since the Reddit Migration, but it is certainly not dying. Today there are 768 instances with the largest one having 18469 MAUs.
The important thing about federation is that there is no downside. You get a regular forum with all benefits of a self-hosting, but now people don’t have to register on it in order to participate. For example, monero.town currently has 83 MAUs, and you can access that audience for free simply by using a different software.
I previously mentioned Discourse, which has a federation plugin, but it is not the only forum engine to choose from. NodeBB is working on federation (almost finished), and Flarum too. These engines will be fully interoperable with Lemmy, and partially with micro-blogging apps like Mastodon and Threads.
So, yeah, you’re right about this being an uncharted territory, but I see a lot of potential here

@OrangeFren @monero Why make a non-federated forum? You can run a Lemmy or a Discourse instance, and let people from monero.town and beyond participate in discussions. Otherwise there won’t be much activity

@gunnm @monero The address from profile field can be displayed near each comment. This is how tipping button works on my site.
But if you want to count tips, and do it for each comment separately, that’s much more complicated. I don’t know if plugin system will be powerful enough for this.

@gunnm @monero

>There is no social media using tipping as piconeros

There is, I’m using it right now. Try to click on the “fediverse” icon near my comment, and on my site you’ll see a donation button.

>looking for opinions and discussion of this could be done in Monero.town

The easiest way is to convince Lemmy devs to implement profile fields: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ui/issues/2411

After that you can add a machine readable XMR address to your profile

@gunnm @monero Yet another attack on open source software developers and a wake up call for everyone, especially bitcoiners. If they will fail to save these guys, Bitcoin will be officially over.

@DisgracedDoctor @monero @monerobull I think this is because monero today is a boring tool that just works. The community calmed down and many activists/shills moved to greener pastures. This is probably a good thing

If you want more activity in fediverse, you can try to get micro-blogging sector going. There are many people who are interested in monero but no organization. I’ve seen a couple of accounts run by projects which mostly cross-post from twitter and do not engage with audience. No follow lists. We had a xmrposter Pleroma instance, but it was shut down.

I’ve successfully followed it. Thank you @Danbob

@monero

@Danbob @monero Congrats. Unfortunately “Follow me” feature (there’s a button at the bottom) doesn’t work properly.
The popup displays @relay@meetup.events address which can’t be resolved. However, @relay@www.meetup.events seems to be working.

@blake @monero I have monero-wallet-rpc connected to a public node, and it has become completely unusable. I always had issues with it (why a service that manages a couple of keys needs hundreds MBs of RAM?), but today it simply doesn’t respond to most RPC calls.

@tusker @monero Chain growth is a real problem that is often dismissed because storage prices are falling. This makes sense when you’re small and there is not much activity, but that could change in the future.

However, I don’t think you can simply drop old blocks without burning someone’s savings? One probably should look into what Ethereum people are doing with their state expiry proposals.

@rafael_xmr @monero Support for portable objects can be added to existing Fediverse applications, the idea is relatively simple. However, implementing it might still require significant effort because of the fundamental shift from “one account -> one server” to “one account -> multiple servers”. I’ve started to work on this in Mitra, but we’re still several months away (at the very least) from anything usable.

Once this idea is proven to work, I expect rational developers to adopt it, because the benefits of data portability seem to vastly outweigh its downsides.

@monero @rafael_xmr I know how Nostr works, I just don’t think it is better. However, if it still be around in a year or two, I might consider using Nostr relays for storing AP data. Why not, if this infrastructure already exists

@rafael_xmr @monero With AP you can have multiple admins too. Server-bound accounts is not an inherent limitation of a protocol, it just happened that popular servers like Mastodon and Lemmy are designed this way.

If you’re interested in technical details, here’s what I’m working on: https://codeberg.org/fediverse/fep/src/branch/main/fep/ef61/fep-ef61.md

@mister_monster @monero Yes, this is me. I’m choosing fediverse for several reasons 1) almost everyone I care about is here 2) I think it’s actually very important to be in contact with people who maintain infrastructure (admins) 3) ActivityPub is an open protocol which is not controlled by anyone 4) better protocol design overall

Many existing implementations suffer from the lack of data portability but I figured out how to fix that.