That is a flaw. Flatpak is great where it works but Flatpak doesn’t solve all problems, neither does any one solution except os level modification. It can be a last resort by it should be a last resort that works. The layering system could be put together such that you don’t get side effects of installing packages like that. It might be tough to fix but that doesn’t make it not a flaw.

Hitler was explicit that he took inspiration from the US. The way the US treated the native tribes, in particular, was an inspiration to him.

It isn’t, though. Package layering modifies the install itself. See: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-silverblue/getting-started/#_flatpak_command_line

The big problem with the way ostree works is that installing things has side effects. Every item you install with ostree makes all future items slower to install, including regular os updates. This is a significant flaw in the way they designed it and really makes immutable oses less attractive.

Immutable is fantastic in theory. Where it falls apart is having to basically rebuild the whole distro every time you want to make a change. It should be there your base distro is immutable, then any extra changes go on an additional mutable layer but that would be difficult to set up. (You’d need a package manager like Nixos or something.)

There are hundreds of Linux developers, including companies like Red Hat, Intel, IBM, Google, and more. You want all these people to up and move to… where? Somewhere. Russia, or a Russian ally presumably but hell if i know. Anyway you want them all to move so a handful of people working for Russian weapons manufacturing companies can keep maintaining pieces of the Linux kernel?

This is obviously a non-serious suggestion.

Switzerland is currently sanctioning Russia. Let me say that again to be clear: moving to Switzerland, the most neutral country in the world, will not prevent you from having to abide by sanctions against Russia.

“A lot of companies” completely left the sphere of influence of basically any country except Russia? Doubt.

I know the company i work for has to take similar steps when the sanctions went into effect, for example. Same as almost everyone.

One could argue this, sure, but practically we see that’s not the case, given that inequality is rising massively and poverty and wars are spiraling out of control.

This is one factor. I think we can see that Republicans are worse at this than Democrats based on historical trends, though obviously it’s going in the wrong direction for both parties. However, this is not the only factor. One point of similarity does not mean there are no differences.

Again, the point is that the vote legitimizes the voting system itself…

The system legitimizes itself.

The majority of the US population already doesn’t vote, hell the majority of adult citizens do not vote. It was even less in the past, seeing as how women and non-whites (and non-property owners) couldn’t vote. Not voting makes zero difference in terms of the “legitimacy” of the US government. From a practical perspective, it’s not even what should be measured. The idea that the government reflects the vote is what gives the government legitimacy is weirdo liberal bullshit. The government should reflect the people, which it most certainly does not in all kinds of ways. (Though it does reflect the public in some really unfortunate ways, too.)

I don’t understand why that is or why i even care.

That’s basically open to the same critique, it’s just more veiled. One could also say the voting improves people’s lives in a material sense. You’re in here arguing about the optics or whatever, which helps no one, improves no lives. Just telling people “don’t do this, it’s bad” gets you nowhere, You have to present the thing you can do instead that’s better. Just saying “well do direct action” is not compelling because you can very easily do both.

I ain’t justifying shit, I’m spending an hour out of about every 8000 or so on this one activity. I/you have now spent more time arguing about this collectively, than it would take to just do it. That’s time that could have been used to do something else.

This isn’t an either-or choice, you know. You can do direct action and take an hour off every 1-4 years to go vote.

What do you mean “prevented”? It’s not as if pulling the lever invokes some magic spell that makes these things impossible but nothing does that and that’s not the claim people are making. There are significant, real, material, factual, likely, stated, and historical differences in outcomes.

I’m not sure how that can be reasonably applied. I’m also not sure why that should be the standard. I also see some potential critiques, for example “increasing the lives” is remarkably ambiguous and could support (for example) a Matrix situation where people have long and relatively peaceful lives but are not free.

Some of those things in the post above i’ll grant you. Some of them absolutely are on the ballot though, undisputably: One of the candidates in this election has promised new concentration camps and forced deportation for millions, which counts as genocide. The other candidate has not.

One of the candidates is definitely going to side with Putin against Ukraine. The other (major) candidate is going to continue the “we’ll help Ukraine survive but not win” policy of the current administration.

One of the candidates has promised to shut down NOAA and was hugely detrimental to climate science (and science of all types) the last time he was in office. One has not and was not.

One of the candidates has spoken out in opposition to universities in general, the other one just wants to arrest anyone who complains about genocide too loudly. I’ll add: the wapo decided not to endorse this year because of Trump’s retribution against Bezos the last time he was in office and maybe there were some new threats made this time. (And that’s just the one that’s in the news lately. Trump got a lot of revenge on people he thought were not sufficiently loyal to him personally last time.)

The whole COVID thing… just in its entirety. Do you think if Hillary Clinton were President things would have gotten to where they are now? We could have beat this thing. We literally accidently wiped out a couple strains of the flu. We just… chose not to. I’m not saying COVID would have been beaten if Clinton were President but i will say there would be a real difference if the president weren’t up there encouraging people to drink bleach.

I really don’t get this logical framework where voting is doing some kind of favor for the politician class.

Generally speaking, politicians (and one of the two US parties in particular, additional video from the second most recent Republican president because they are two in a row on this now) consider elections and voters to be a problem for them.

What do you mean by “doesn’t work”? Doesn’t get us to an anarchist society? Well yeah, if you had enough votes to get there you wouldn’t even need to vote. People would just forget about all these made up ideas because who needs them? We can make up better ideas whenever we want.

If you mean “the outcome of the election will have no material impact on the world in which we live” then… i’m gonna have to disagree.

TBH i could leave this reply here but i’m going to elaborate anyway.

Yeah, both parties are strongly pro-genocide, against the wishes of the American people i might add. Genocide is not up for a vote. There are things that are, however. Such as how Arabic looking people will be treated in the US or how trans people will be treated–whether they’ll be allowed to exist at all.

I also don’t think it’s inevitable that a society that’s moving in a fascist direction will become full on fascist. I’m not gonna bet on it in the US’s case, the US has been kinda crypto-fascist since at least W and before. Really, the US’s problems predate and kind of inspired the modern concept of “fascism”. Voting won’t fix that, though. Not in the US or elsewhere.

Anti-fascist politics are not up for a vote, either. That doesn’t mean there’s nothing that can be done. Quite the opposite, there’s a ton that can be done. Build a local anti-fascist, pro-community coalition and power base. Hell, you can build local political (electoral) power, too.

The Republicans didn’t get to where they are now because all the old fossils from the 1950s suddenly went insane. It took decades of pushing crazy politics on a local level to get to where we are. They got up early and worked real fucking hard to make sure fascism was accepted, that it would be on the ballot, and that it would win. We could do the same, if we wanted. It’d be even easier for us, in some senses. Our goal is much more reasonable and does not require total power over everyone’s lives. We just don’t have anywhere near the same resources.

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I think it’s extremely clear what’s happening and why and tone policing them about it is not helpful.

Switzerland is sanctioning Russia.

The US is not the outlier, here.