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When you compare Biden to Trump vs. the effects on the Palestinians, were Trump president again, he would not just help the Israelis exterminate the Palestinians, but encourage them to do so quickly- as he’s already told Bibi to “finish it”. So your dichotomy is more than a bit disingenuous .
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If our only standard is not a Republican, then everytime Republicans lower their standards, they lower the only other option’s standards too.
It’s not fucking sustainable.
You know I hear people say this and and yet the Democratic Party is further to the left than it was under Bill Clinton. So how does it follow? I mean I hear people say stuff like we keep moving further to the right and the Republicans certainly are, but I see a Democratic party that’s for gay rights and that didn’t use to exist. I see a Democratic Party that’s that’s talking about higher taxes on the wealthy and trade regulations and consumer protection Acts. None of that was true in the '90s. In the 90s the Democrats said the era of big government is over. Now Democrats are supporting good government policies. We can certainly support better government policies, and I personally would like to see them go much further , but I can’t see a scenario in which the Democratic party isn’t further left than they were.
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The democratic party didn’t even universally support abortion rights not that long ago.
This. This all day long.
This does not logically follow.
It really does though…
This is a proposed political idea. It doesn’t make it true and doesn’t make the statement that are options are reduced unless we all allow it to be true.
If the Republican decide to burn all gay people, one cannot claim to be a democrat because they simply want to gas them all.
We decide where the line is drawn. Ignore the propaganda that tells us we have no control over the process. That apathy is how the window shifts, not because the republicans shift.
The Overton window is a way of framing change in the baseline ideology of a population. It is hardly a “law” or dogma of any kind. On its own it’s meaningless, you can’t just couch an argument in “…because of the Overton window.” It’s also got its valid detractors like broken window theory and such.
Lol, I wasn’t making an argument that anything is “because of the Overton window”, the OP of this thread is literally describing how the Overton window works. You, and that other person not liking or understanding it, doesn’t change that, nor the fact that what op described is demonstrably happening in politics right in front of your fucking eyes, and only “doesn’t follow logic” if you’re aggressively wilfully ignorant.
Yikes I think you’re a little too riled up for this conversation. Have a good one dude.
Not in terms of pure logic but definitely in practical terms. You don’t get far in humanities if you only follow pure logic.
So is societal which means it’s not a person or group but all of us. It isn’t just this one thing everyone on the left likes to point out as if that absolves them from having any personal responsibility in the matter.
The concept causes itself to exist by acceptance that it is inevitable.
Remember how blaming individuals solved climate change, too?
I’m starting to suspect that Taylor Swift doesn’t even care what we think!
I remember!
It didn’t all happen in 2016. Fascists have been quietly diminishing the power of the electorate for decades now. We’ll keep on having “the most important election of our lifetimes” until we manage to undo the damage. IF we manage to undo the damage.
If we manage to have any more non-sham elections.
The problem is fascists, but it is also compounded by neolib Democrats never reducing government authority either, but often even strengthening it, knowing full well that power can easily be seized by the extreme right at any time.
Too young to remember how bloodthirsty Hilary was as secretary of state. Member when “we came, we saw, he died tehe”?
A lot of retrospective handwringing forgets this, or the vile comments that came out during Bill’s multiple sexual assault allegations.
Hillary was not the right candidate to fight Trump, Jeb Bush more likely. After Obama, returning to an establishment candidate was a mistake, and I don’t care if “it’s her turn” after stepping aside in 2008. Politics has real consequences for people who don’t vacation in the Hamptons.
Yeah but she paved the way for ISIS with such girl power
Ummm… Trump will turn UP the genocide.
Way more pro Israel rhetoric that any Biden comment but he then doubles down with lots of anti Palestine comments.
If the choice is between genocide and genocide + fascism, and there is no viable option 3 without genocide, then the argument is still embrace the genocide or democracy ends. The alternative is embrace genocide and who really needs all this democracy anyway?
Yeah I’m not sure how to take this post. The image is clearly both-sides-ism but the text of OPs post on it appears to be calling that bad.
This posting format makes sense in specific subreddit/communities like /leopardsatemyface or /whitepeopletwitter. But here it just makes it unclear what the intended message is.
Trump will do the same amount of Genocide. He’s just more honest about it.
Comments like this are why no one takes you seriously.
They do. It’s just 6 months later after they’re done with the mental Gymnastics and have to admit I was right all along
Israel is a Nazi state turned out not be such a hot take after all.
6 months later
You are optimistic. Some people won’t ever notice the lebensraum.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Even a liberal is right 6 months too late.
Yeah, after all you’ve successfully predicted 20 of the last 3 social problems.
Admitting liberals are wrong and actively support Genocide is hard.
Your dichotomy of saying we have to pick between the Turd or a Douche is disingenuous.
As someone who voted 3rd party in 2016 and regrets it. While you are technically correct, the last 8 years have shown that there is so much more on the line than what I was protesting against with my 3rd party vote. I didn’t like Hillary Clinton’s positions on war. And sure, my vote probably wouldn’t have mattered all that much as I live in a very red state, but every time the Supreme Court does some bullshit, I feel a bit of regret that I didn’t use my vote to support the best candidate who actually had a chance.
If he had more votes in the primary, then that could have been true despite the superdelegates. As it would be true for any other candidate.
But he/they didn’t, and here we are moping over something that didn’t happen years ago while the USSC lays the final stones in the foundation for an actual dictatorship.
Bold strategy. Let’s see how that works out.
There are some elections between 1929 and 1939 that would be more consequential.
The DNC failed to put in a non-establishment candidate, so the Republican voters made it happen.
That huge failure continues to haunt this country while the DNC and the Republican voters double down on their mistakes.
Nostalgia is a good tool against anxiety, but it may perturbate the notion of reality
I love that I get to choose whether Palestinians get the slow death of starvation and disease or the fast death of bombs and bullets
Given enough time, shitty Twitter hot takes pollute everything. Interesting implication that somehow Hillary might have a less pro-Israel policy than Biden.
Also: She’s cray
Also she could do a better campaign
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Just straight up memory-holed the summer of 2020? And the election I guess, since people did turn out and Clinton got more votes than Trump? Let me know how blaming people for living in an undemocratic system works for hyping up voters.
We can still have Bernie. But the DNC would rather have Trump.
They could put Bernie forward, but we’d get Trump.
Cope
Bernie would definitely outperform Biden. This is just a fact. Left-Wing candidates do better with higher voter turnout. They get higher voter turnout when people are actually excited about the person they’re voting for, especially young people. Young people hate Biden. You can see this from all the protests about the genocide and Palestine he’s enabling. Will have low voter turnout compared to Bernie. Biden might lose the election giving us Trump again.
Don’t mean to tell you what you already know a stranger. Just saw you being gaslit and wanted you to know that you’re not crazy 👈😎
Yeah, how did the Bernie magic work out for Jamaal Bowman? Somehow he is the best candidate but can’t get people to attend a rally for an incumbent Democrat let alone vote for him.
Have you considered that? Maybe the amount of attention Americans give the presidential election is many times more than any other election? Do you think Americans are more likely to know the current president and who they ran against In the last election than their own senator? Or their own member of the House of reps?
Do you think that might affect things?
Be serious my dude
