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I think the wheel of history turns on a greater axle than a presidential election. Look at Europe, and the rest of the global north. The machine of neoliberal imperialism has created global instability and climate crisis, and the rich are locking down their spoils with right wing nationalism.
Trump was a fluke, he’d have had more bites at the apple in 2020/2024 and eventually get a win. If not him, then some evangelical fascist.
Absolutely. We’re seeing a return of authoritarian candidates in many first world nations. The people that witnessed Hitler’s rise are mostly gone, leaving many to overlook or minimize similar patterns of behavior.
As far as the US is concerned, Trump made the hat. Someone else will put it on.
The dominance of the far-right in France’s elections and in European elections in general this cycle is really frightening. That being said, I think a lot of their success comes from tactics inspired by Trump’s… Trump became an internet icon, he was turned into a piece of popular culture. The European far-right are doing the same, they’re REALLY good at social media propoganda and utilising social media to get young people to vote for them. Looking at 2019 vs 2024, the difference in young voters’ attitudes would be unbelievable then.
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Ha! If you think fascism in Europe is going to end well for Russia, you don’t remember history.
Russia itself is already fascist. It is currently ethnically purging Crimea, and festers on patriottism and nationalism, with a person cult, a single dominant party, and cronyism.
Doesn’t matter all that much. Fascism needs enemies, even within the same ideology.
The fascism on the rise right now isnt the same as in the 30s and russia right now isnt the same as in the 30s. I dont see any reason to believe that the european fascists would turn on their biggest supporter.
Yeah Russia will be in Neo-Hitler’s side this time. At least that seems to be their plan.
The machine of neoliberal imperialism has created global instability and climate crisis, and the rich are locking down their spoils with right wing nationalism.
I want this on my tombstone so the alien archeologists that eventually visit our ruined husk of a world can know what happened.
they’ll already know and the financiers of any such project will work to mitigate any impact that message might have or prevent it from becoming well know; as has already happened.
More like people were betrayed by the DNC and rejected an unpopular candidate that was thrusted onto them.
The dnc really ought to let voters nominate their own candidates, instead of force feeding us their choice.
That is far too democratic to ever be a thing in your country. The political system is financed and thus owned by the capital, so they will never permit a not capitalist to have any political success. Bernie, a by all objective measures very moderate leftist, is the furthest the spectrum goes, and he is more tolerated as a sort of token minority than realistically able to affect any real change.
If people were able to select and push their own candidates the whole big money oligarchy collapses.
I saw a Michael Moore documentary that claims Bernie actually had the votes for the nomination and the DNC lied and said he lost in a state where he actually won.
Not sure if that’s true 100%
whether it’s true or not, DNC’s reputation makes it so believably probable – we got to watch as they backstabbed anyone slightly progressive, watched as they primaried anyone they couldn’t openly sabotage, and now they’re holding this year’s primary in Chicago claiming it won’t be a repeat of 1968 as they massively increase police presence …
The dnc really ought to let voters nominate their own candidates, instead of force feeding us their choice.
The biggest hurdle for potential candidates is name recognition and funding for getting those signatures. Even after getting the signatures, it’s very hard to challenge an incumbent, like was proven by Dean Phillips and Marriane Williamson.
You must not remember the 2016 primaries.
That’s why I said kind of.
Establishment/center right Dem influence on the primary happens through endorsements and media connections. While the actual primary is actually rather free, it’s not very fair as the establishment gets the first say over the narrative, though this is weakening incredibly over time with more social media and independent media influence.
And it wasn’t the last time. Remember super Tuesday?
Can you fill me in? I don’t remember hearing or reading about it
Before Super Tuesday in 2019, Bernie was the forerunner despite the DNC’s best efforts.
So every conservative democrat dropped out and endorsed Biden while the candidate who shared many of Bernie’s policies split the progressive vote (ensuring none of the progressive policies the former Reagan campaigner was running on would actually be implemented).
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America always had big propaganda against other people’s tyrants, never against their own.
And Truman would have something to say about all of the Russian-bought members of Congress. History is cyclical, and we’re approaching another authoritarian period for global powers.
I’m glad I’m not the only one seeing this happen all over the world. All over the world we have feckless neoliberal parties failing to represent their people and getting replaced with populist right-wingers.
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Not just Europe and the anglosphere. It’s also happening in Latin America (ecuador), and that’s basically all the regions where democracy used to be prevalent.
The middle east is still as dictatorial as it always was. Asia is still as dictatorial as it always has. Africa is still as dictatorial as it always has. I know all of these regions are huge and diverse, and that there are democracies. But none of them I can think of has gained democracy.
So the places that had democracy are turning less democratic, and the places that had little democracy still have little democracy. I’d say that’s an “All over the world” thing.
At least there’s Lula in Brazil. And I’m sure someone could come and tell me something bad about him, but not being Bolsonaro is a huge improvement, and I’ve heard other good things. In fact I believe the majority of Latin America is under leaders to the left of the US Democrats. And no I’m not counting non democracies like Venezuela or Cuba.
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So the most Democratic countries on this planet according to you are cuba and china. Both of them are 1-party states, and China is straight up a surveillance state. Ok lol.
Does china pay you or are you spreading their bullshit propaganda for free?
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The US is effectively a one-party system as well, because the rest of the world gets fucked over either way you guys vote.
Because in a lot of other places, or was already the case.
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I’m not defending America’s actions. I’m stating that many members of US Congress are funded by Russian oligarchs.
The influence was apparent when Republicans withheld aid from Ukraine until they were forced to choose between funding Ukraine along with Israel, or leaving Israel without weapons.
Does that sound like a government body that is representing its constituents?
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How about you tell that to The Speaker Of The House?
https://www.newsweek.com/who-konstantin-nikolaev-money-mike-johnson-1870600
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Bother someone else with your agenda.
OK, but sending weapons to either of these places is bad, both for the people whose wealth is being wasted to blow up people on the other side of the world, mostly civilians (almost entirely civilians in Israel’s case) and the people getting blown up
Supplying Ukraine with the weapons needed to defend themselves against a Russian invasion is bad?!?
The US is not supplying Ukraine with weapons because they have any interest in the well-being of the people in Ukraine. They are supplying the weapons to extend a war as long as possible to weaken Russia, at the expense of hundreds of thousands of dead and wounded Ukrainians and millions displaced.
This is infinitely worse for the people living there than if Russia won a quick victory or if we’d taken literally any off-ramp in the last decade.
Fucking what?
It doesn’t matter what the US supplies Ukraine. It’s Ukraines fight. It’s up to Ukraine to decide to forfeit the fight or to keep fighting.
By your logic we (humanity) should just let any country invade any other country and take over it’s people just because “it’s easier to give in than fight.” Giving in would be for the benefit of the people, right? That’s what you’re saying? Fuck right off.
Russia should not have invaded Ukraine in the first place.
If you haven’t yet, I recommend watching Traumazone. All 7 hours of it offers a beautiful insight in USSR 1980’s to 1999.
Yes, USA supported shitty stuff. But the system rotted itself out first with corruption and production mismatching demand while fighting pointless war in Afghanistan, which created the power vacuum and collapse.
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The west sure did buy a FUCKTON of oil from the Soviet Union for people who were apparently trying to bankrupt them since 1917
Oh, but the West only gave the money in order to bankrupt the Soviets, you see
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a grand tradition of what to do with tyrants.
America as a nation was created by a subset of landed gentry who didn’t like paying taxes. They wanted to make Washington king. The founding fathers were basically the Megamind meme where Tighten (yes, it’s spelled Tighten, not “Titan”) says to the Mayor of the city: “More like under new management.”
The founders were not a monolith and had mega-disagreements about how to proceed from day 1.
“okay, we’re not gonna have political parties, right guys?”
Immediately form federalist and anti-federalist factions
Sure, and they still managed to pass the alien and sedition acts. Saying they weren’t a monolith is a way of dismissing the mountain of evidence that suggests that, for most of them, participation in the democratic process of an inchoate American republic was intended only for a small segment of the population - literate (i.e. wealthy) white men. I’d suggest A People’s History of the United States if you want a better perspective on that.
Yes, his name was Andrew Jackson, and he told the Supreme Court to go fuck itself, and we survived him too. This stuff changes and evolves.
- America used to have very loud PR and an easily convinced population
America used to have a grand tradition of what to do with tyrants.
Which is the same playbook as democratically elected leaders of foreign nations. Bombs, drones and CIA-soonsored assassinations
So… People tell me an election year is no time to talk about electoral reform. Every US election year. But! After the election, they scurry away under the refrigerator and stay there for 4 years. I know you have to hold your nose while you vote this time, but catch these weird centrists before they disappear and hold their feet to the fire to influence change. You deserve better than this “I’m not voting for _, I’m voting against _” nonsense. Your government is hurting all of us. Stop it, please.
Who has told you not to talk about electoral reform in an election year? I’ve never heard that.
On top of that, there are plenty of people who are working to change our election system the whole time. The problem is the “I hate the two party system!” People by and large just vote every few years. I work with some locally that are trying to change things from the ground up.
Ugh, Facebook people, mostly. And thank you for being the change you want to see in the world.
I wanted to reply in a way you would see. Your question is valid and I don’t believe you deserve the downvotes.
Stop it. Just stop it. The fascist weirdo vs. the just sort of regular weirdo is how you do elections? We are all beholden to US policy and you think this is a joke?
Fucking fuck the fuck out of the fuck. Change it. Stop it. Please!
“Make your country stronger so you’re not beholden to the us! Omg your country is such crap.”
This is what you sound like, btw. It’s just shitting on America and Americans, you aren’t really saying anything productive.
Honey, the right is galvanizing globally and we all have work to do. I am passionate about avoiding catastrophy and it sounds like we might have at least that in common. Peace.
If you think we should be galvanizing, why attack me? Why shit on me and my country? You’re “peace” rings very hollow right now.
I didn’t think I was attacking you. Maybe there is a cultural barrier, but I swear I meant no offense. I thought my silly use of the language was in fun. Peace, please.
Bad take.
You get genocide either way; one is a guy trying to stop the genocide that’s been negotiating behind the scenes for months (and yes, also giving the Israelis arms), and the other guy wants to accelerate the genocide while also ending democracy.
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Mostly because Netanyahu has been souring on Biden real fast. Biden held up a delivery of bombs to Israel back in May, citing Israel’s plans to bomb Rafah. Netanyahu announced he was pushing forward anyway, and there was a big public spat about it. That sort of thing has been happening since Oct 7.
I mean one could say it’s all an act or something, but that strains credulity to me.
I’m not saying Biden is doing great here, I’d much prefer he take Bernie Sanders’ advice on this and stop weapon deliveries altogether. But it’s certainly fair to assess that Biden wants the genocide to stop, but is not doing enough to stop it.
Which is a de facto admission he knows Israel is committing war crimes with the weapons and that he has the power to stop military aid at any time.
This is Student Loans all over again where his cult says he can’t do it, because he doesn’t have that power. And then he does it.
Edit to add, he also released those bombs to Israel something like last week?
Which is a de facto admission he knows Israel is committing war crimes with the weapons and that he has the power to stop military aid at any time.
So your take is what. If we don’t start bombing Israel ourselves we’re supporting genocide? It’s a real moving goalpost, almost as if no action by any president would be enough. Almost like this originated from the Trump camp like all the other misinformation.
Nothing disgusts me more than seeing how Americans find some excuse to HATE every Democrat LOVE every Republican, even over issues where the latter is lightyears worse than the former.
I’m sorry, how do you come to the conclusion that I want to bomb Gaza at all? Not everything is a partisan operation. War crimes are bad, full stop.
In 2020 the left was told to vote for Biden and pressure him. Now that he’s signed the most conservative immigration policy since Operation Wetback, and is supplying a genocide, suddenly it’s all, “jk we never meant for you to actually pressure him!”
You did it again. Dodging the question. Again. You KNOW there’s no clean answer to the Israel situation. You’re blaming Biden for walking a highwire nobody would have walked better. And you seem to know it because you won’t address the question head-on.
…and then you change topic.
So at this point, you concede that Biden is as pro-Palestine as is reasonably possible? Or are you just going to keep spreading the Russian propaganda?
I answered your grade school attempt to box me in with an assumed premise. And better would be to at the very least, condition military aid on the effective distribution of food aid to Gazans.
It’s not the leaks, it’s the fact that Anthony Blinken has been holding talks in Cairo to try and negotiate a peace settlement.
Bad take.
It’s a return2ozma post. Of course it’s a bad take.
It’s not a bad take. The post didn’t imply that there was a no-Genocide option
You read the word OR in there?
Did it say AND ? NO. It said OR.
The post absofuckinglutely strongly implied there was a no-genocide option.
No it didn’t. That’s just the way you read it.
It’s difficult to defend the idea that Biden has been trying to end the genocide. He’s had that power from day 1. If you give Israel a bullet, you have solid awareness that there is a good chance it will be used against a non-combatant. That’s hard reality. If Biden was not supportive of genocide he would place an embargo on the weapons being poured into the massacre. He also wouldn’t sanction the ICC when they attempted to call out the primary actors in the genocide. He has given enabling support to the campaign in multiple ways.
Biden is not a good man as he is portrayed, he is complex obviously, but the reality is that Hitler still petted his dog and was nice to his friends and family. Biden should be joining Netanyahu at the Hague, not sabotaging democracy by being virtually un-electable while at the same time working to make it even more obvious that the international order is only there to punish certain war criminals.
Anyway, I think the take is pretty on point.
He’s had that power from day 1
Not as such, no. When congress appropriates funds, the president is legally obligated to disburse those funds for the purpose that they were appropriated for. This is a law, and it’s not something that’s up for debate. That was part of the underlying crime that Trump was first impeached for; he attempted to withhold funds corruptly. Could he have vetoed that? Sure. It also would have vetoed funding for Ukraine though. (And, just pointing out here that Trump would have vetoed assistance for Ukraine, while helping Israel kill more Palestinians faster.)
You can–and should–condemn his rhetoric, because he has been supportive of Israel waging war in Gaza. But he’s also been working behind the scenes, trying to negotiate a peace that Hamas will accept, and that Israel will accept. Even when he’s supporting Israel in public, it’s been clear that he’s been working to negotiate a truce.
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He would need some kind of finding of fact in the US to support that, and that hasn’t happened AFAIK yet. The ICC has made that finding, but it wouldn’t be legally supportable to use that finding to withhold appropriated funding.
You mean like our intelligence agencies finding Israel’s claims to be “low confidence”
The literal second he tells the CIA to hand him the unedited file it’s over.
Yeah the US isn’t even a member of the ICC.
In fact the US is so NOT a member of the ICC that it’s currently federal law that if a US soldier was being held at the Hague, the US military would be obligated to invade The Netherlands in order to recover them
“What part of rules for thee but not for me don’t you get?”
The Leahy Law and Foreign Assistance Act make sending that aid illegal, no matter how much Congress appropriates.
Leahy Law and Foreign Assistance Act
Read up on that. There would need to be a finding of fact by the relevant US embassy and departments within the gov’t before this comes into play. Without that, that act is irrelevant to Biden attempting to withhold aid.
Could Biden direct the ambassador and relevant department heads to investigate so that he could legally withhold aid? Yes, he could. Should he? Also yes. But it’s not something the president can do unilaterally. Despite SCOTUS’ attempt to make it so, the president was never intended to be the sole sovereign of the country.
Oh? Then what authority did he have to withhold the plane bombs?
This is student loans all over again. You guys are going to shout that he can’t do that right up until he does it.
The Leahy Law in text -
No assistance shall be furnished under this Act or the Arms Export Control Act to any unit of the security forces of a foreign country if the Secretary of State has credible information that such unit has committed a gross violation of human rights.
All he has to do is open a fucking newspaper. You’d have us believe he is deaf, dumb, and blind.
Didn’t we have a whole impeachment about a president preventing arms that were allocated by Congress from going to their destination? Oh yeah that was Trump trying to get some election fuckery from Ukraine. Granted, the election aspect was another level on it but that is functionally the same thing you’re demanding Biden do which was already determined to not be ok. President doesn’t have that power so maybe instead of wondering why Biden isn’t fixing the thing all on his own, we can start (or continue if you were ever paying attention between presidential elections) pressuring and replacing the Congress critters that are actually approving the sale of arms to continue the genocide. Why does everyone keep getting big man deluded when we know for a fact that the president isn’t a king with total control?
Or. Just maybe. We could actually care enough to pressure Biden.
No? Just going to shove your head in the ground and pretend politics is an immutable object?
I can’t imagine why Biden was already in so much polling trouble. It can’t possibly be the cult like atmosphere around him preventing him from contacting reality.
…And exactly, EXACTLY, how do you pressure him in a way that doesn’t actively risk making things far, far worse, not just in Israel, but here in the US as well? Because if your answer is, “don’t vote for him”, well, congrats, you’re going to make things worse.
You let them know. You don’t just sit on it. The one thing that will move a politician is knowing they can’t get elected again if they keep doing something. By throwing “But Trump!” at us, no matter how obliquely, you’re just protecting a genocide.
Are you not reading anything you just wrote?
one thing that will move a politician is knowing they can’t get elected again
If you do that with Biden, that means that Trump gets elected, and shit gets a whole helluva lot worse. Not just in Palestine, but everywhere. Of course, you’re going to say that I’m "throwing ‘But Trump!’ at you, but that’s not me - that’s the system that we live in.
You have a functionally binary choice. You can try to minimize damage, or not.
It’s your choice whether you, personally, do what you are capable of doing to minimize damage. And I hope that you have the intestinal fortitude to tell your LGBTQ+ friends to their face what you did, and why you did it, if it all goes the way I expect it will.
It Is Not a binary choice. First of all, Biden can still change course. Second Biden can be replaced. It is not a choice between Trump and blindly supporting whatever warm body is in opposition to him.
Functionally binary.
Bullshit.
Yes, he’ll learn a lot by not being in office anymore. Then someone else will have the power to aid Isreal explicitly to carry out a genocide. But Biden will know. He’ll never hold office again , but hay. He’ll know. As the Supreme Court sactions the legalism of a Trump dictatorship and approve a continuation of the Japanese Internment Act. Expanded to all the other not-white people. Just as they argued during his first term, but Biden will know. Biden will have learned his lesson. While he has no political power of any kind. And when they’re shoving people in trucks and on boats without sufficient supplies to be dummped into places they aren’t from and have no resources to survive, and Biden will be sitting at home having fully learned his lesson.
It Is Not a binary choice. First of all, Biden can still change course. Second Biden can be replaced. It is not a choice between Trump and blindly supporting whatever warm body is in opposition to him.
Israel controls one of the largest political lobbies in America. No president who goes against the interests of the Israeli government will ever be elected until this changes.
AIPAC has only won one house race this year, and that was an already vulnerable incumbent. They’re nothing like titans like the NRA.
Ah yes. The insular Biden cult. I don’t know how deluded you need to be to buy this. No one, Not one person is in a cult of personality for Unkie Joe. No one. Why do you think this?
Says one of two people that have showed up to frame this as an either/or problem we can’t possibly even try to tackle. It’s either commit genocide or lose our democracy. No possible other option, especially after a disastrous debate that confirmed fears of age related mental decline.
The president isn’t actually running the entire county himself, Biden’s government isn’t fundamentally different from Obama’s, Trump also, very obviously from his first term, didn’t have much involvement at all in his government. The appointments, the policies his government focus on is a very big deal. Which 80 year old napping from 12pm to 5pm and going to bed, is not the difference that matters.
The president isn’t actually running the entire county himself, Biden’s government isn’t fundamentally different from Obama’s, Trump also, very obviously from his first term, didn’t have much involvement at all in his government. The appointments, the policies his government focus on is a very big deal. Which 80 year old napping from 12pm to 5pm and going to bed, is not the difference that matters.
So let’s just get rid of the position then? Hey all those fortune 500 companies don’t need CEOs either right? This is not the argument you seek.
Although I noticed you edited your comment to make my last reply look out of context.Edit - haha I confused the two places they replied to me. The rest is relevant though.
Says the people who swallowed the genocide every year they’ve been alive but decided to get unproductively upset at the moment it will help conservatives most.
Not in 2000. Republicans win when Democrats abstain or vote third-party. I’m not judging, but sharing personal experience. I voted for Nader along with plenty of others. In turn, we had Bush respond to 9/11 and decide how to address climate change instead of Gore.
Yes in 2000, third party didn’t cede yhe election to Bush.
There were much more influential factors.
- Disenfranchisement of democratically leaning voters, voting machines literally being relocated for no reason on election Day.
These " random, unforeseeable" technical problems across many states coincidentally disenfranchised black and white voters 10 to 1 vote.
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Before the votes were counted, katherine Harris, who worked for Jeb Bush, the governor of California and George Bush’s brother, requested that at that specific moment, while George Bush had a lead in the number of Florida votes recounted, Florida election officials be allowed to stop counting votes(If they kept counting, the projection was for Gore to win the count a second time)
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That went to the supreme Court, who said “yea, election officials shouldn’t be made to count every vote if they don’t want to”, so George Bush ended up winning in his Governor brother’s state.
Those travesties had a much greater impact, a magnitude greater, than your perfectly legitimate vote for Nader.
In every election, you should vote for the candidate than most aligns with your views.
I’m voting for Biden because he has an impressive executive track record on civil rights, the environment, sustainable technology in his first term and I hope he does the same in the second.
No other candidate that I’m aware of is more likely to do as much for the issues I think should be most urgently addressed.
Anyone voting for the green party or any third party should not be dissuaded from doing so because the American election system is broken.
By voting for a third party, they’re fixing that break.
Don’t forget that the ballots in Florida were really poorly designed, and caused Pat Buchanan to get a very high number of Democratic votes.
Thanks, I’m glad you brought it up.
Instead of leaving that Chad… Hanging??? 😅
Haha, niice
Please explain how voting third-party fixes anything when a third-party candidate has never received even one electoral vote
in the history of our nationsince 1968.George Wallace got some electoral college votes because he was a flagrant racist.
I didn’t know that! I knew he was a famously bad candidate, but I just looked it up, and you’re right. Turns out he won 46 votes. Not bad.
In first world countries, voting third parties is called" “voting”, where you vote for the preferred candidate.
Voting for a third party fixes The way that Americans think voting is supposed to work, that you choose the color you like the best and bleed for them regardless of what you believe in.
That’s nice and all, but in the US we use the Electoral College to vote for President. They are in no way obligated to follow the popular vote. Candidates need 270 electoral votes to become President. A third-party candidate has never received even one electoral vote since 1968.
Also, the US is no longer a first-world country due to wealth inequality and lack of accessible healthcare nationwide. We have been downgraded to a developing nation.
Yes, those are both of my points from the previous comment.
The voting system in the US is broken and people need to start voting correctly.
They are too afraid to.
As I’ve mentioned, the US is not a first world nation. That’s why I said that first world countries know how to vote, while the US does not.
Why are you framing my own points defensively?
The voting system in the US is broken and people need to start voting correctly
You’re missing the point. As long as the electoral college and first past the post remain, third party candidates will never win. Never. It has nothing at all to do with people being “too afraid”.
The last time a 3rd-party candidate got ANY electoral votes(despite what the other person said, it has happened) was in 1968, and that was literally only because it was during the tail end of the civil rights movement and Nixon wasn’t quite racist enough for the south compared to the full blown white supremacist George Wallace.
The ONLY time a 3rd-party candidate has done better than one of the two major parties was over 100 years ago in 1912. The only reason for that is because the candidate in question was 2x former Republican President Theodore Roosevelt, running as a 3rd-party specifically to oppose his handpicked successor turned rival Taft, who had become immensely unpopular with Rooseveltian Republicans. Well, two reasons: surviving an assassination attempt & giving a speech leaking blood with the bullet still in him like a total badass, just weeks before the election, probably helped too. Guess what though, it caused a huge spoiler effect that gave Woodrow Wilson a landslide 81.9% of the electoral vote despite only getting 41.8% of the popular vote.
Third parties are just inherently incompatible with our current election system. We need to adopt ranked choice voting and ditch the electoral college first.
Republicans win close races via fuckery. While US Americans are all distracted by the presidential race, republicans around the country are plotting all kinds of fuckery to rig the congressional races, the ones that are collectively far more important than the presidency.
Everyone is focused on Joe Biden, but the reality is that, without a democratic congressional majority, very little will continue to happen. Even with a majority in both the house and senate, i don’t think Democrats will fix (or want to fix) many of the broken parts of the system, like Citizen’s United, FISA, Copyright, DMCA, healthcare, supreme court expansion, gerrymandering, anti-trust and regulations, regulating Wall Street, regulating banks, fixing the housing market, taking power back from the supreme court, etc.
It’s not fuckery. It’s voter disengagement. Republicans know that they have limited numbers, but they vote with party loyalty. All they need to do is sour the left on their candidate to win. The largest historical Democratic turnout was 2020.
Brooks brothers riot was absolutely republican fuckery.
That’s fair. I should’ve written it’s not exclusively fuckery.
Regardless, voter disenfranchisement has been their main play for decades. They keep doing it because it works without having to speak to the good qualities of their own candidate.
I’m referring to Jan 6th, the widespread election deniers, and the fake elector’s plot. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_fake_electors_plot
Voter disengagement helped along by media consolidation. It’s not profitable to cover House races anymore unless something crazy is happening, so people aren’t made aware of it. State and local elections are even worse. Sometimes the only information about a candidate I can find is their private Facebook profile.
100%. Many fly under the radar and hope to catch a downballot win.
Thank you for saying the truth. I’ve cared since the 80s. It’s cute people turned on the news. Gaza has nothing to do with our elections unless you’re a Russian plant.
Absolutely, or a limp maga.
People have gone from blindly supporting anything #Israel and condemning anything #Palestine without making any distinctions between civilians and their government, and then once they couldn’t deny the violence, they were like “got it, so Israel always bad and Palestine always good” without learning anything more about the situation.
Exactly. Everything is a binary now. No nuance.
Oh we’ve cared. It’s just that previous democratic presidents were working to stop settlements and work towards the two state solution.
This turbo kill approach is new.
Biden is the first US president to issue sanctions against Israeli colonizers on Palestinian land.
Previous presidents of any side for the past 70 years have been sending military aid to Israel.
You got your facts way wrong.
Yeah sure, he sanctioned 5 of them. While he’s supplying massive amounts of war material for their genocide. It’s performative at best. And those settlers are still blocking aid with the help of the Israeli authorities who tell them where to find the shipments and don’t clear them off the road.
They’re sanctions against illegal Israeli colonization and he’s the first president to issue them.
He even paused military aid to Israel, which I don’t think has ever happened before either.
Biden was also the first president to directly contradict Israel and enact consequences over the idfs policy even though the IDF have been executing civilians for decades.
You couldn’t be more off base.
That pause is evidence itself that he knew they were committing war crimes with our military aid. Which he did not pause even 90% of. He paused airplane bombs. Everything else from Bullets to Artillery shells was still getting sent the entire time.
And your statement is false, Bush got them to remove settlements. I was just talking about previous democrats but if we want to include all presidents then there are certainly some who have done more to slow down Israel. For example in the 1990’s there was the Oslo Accords.
Performative actions do not absolve you of illegally supplying weapons to a criminal regime.
So your contention is that
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Although Biden is the only president to actively contradict and issue sanctions against the Israeli government and its settlers for their colonization and war crimes,
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Biden’s the least active president to actively contradict and issue sanctions against the Israeli government and its settlers for their colonization and war crimes.
Even though nobody else has contradicted Israel or issued sanctions and Biden has.
You are confused.
You are ignoring key issues I’ve brought up to continue your counter factual narrative. I’m used to dealing with this from Republicans. Getting this from Democrats is seriously disappointing.
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Uhhh and today the SCOTUS decided that Trump can never be prosecuted for anything he did or will do whilst president, so actually, democracy died today. Biden won’t abuse this. Trump will, and there will be nothing to stop him from enacting his dictator plans. About that, and the political assassinations, and the president for life, I think Trump is serious.
People who think our presidential elections are only recently fucked up are morons. Since basically day 1 the politics and seedyness and bullshit going on behind the scenes has always been insane.
There’s some kind of narcissistic selfishness that constantly has a need for THIS time, OUR time to be the worst ever.
I mean, for the majority of the country’s history, huge portions of its population had literally no democracy due to no right to vote. But I guess we’ll ignore that.
We had portions of our history that were rocky as hell due to shifting balances of power between the federal branches, especially in the first 100 years.
We literally had a fucking civil war.
It’s always so interesting to me how people just ignore how bad it’s always been, and how many times the country did not, in fact, literally end, and yet they STILL gin up end of the country fearmongering constantly in every election cycle.
None of this is truly new.
They said most influential in the past 100 years, the civil war was 160 years ago.
100 years ago everyone had the right to vote (though Jim Crow laws limited voting access in many states for people of color, something that’s beginning to be reimplemented to an extent).
I think FDR might have been more influential, but he won in a landslide. Trump got millions fewer votes than his opponent and only won by a couple thousand votes in certain swing states. I think in the past 100 years it was probably the most influential presidential election in the sense that so few votes held so much influence on history.
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Yes good point. And how many were incorrectly prisoned, or it’s for kind of stupid offenses that don’t warrant such a right being taken away.
I think the biggest factor is we have media covering everything 24/7 and when the smallest little detail comes out about something bad it’s blown way up and made to be a huge deal. It’s easy to get sucked into thinking we are in the worst point of history. No political figure can take a shit without some news outlet telling us that’s where they were plotting to blow up the entire world.
I wouldn’t say they ignore it, it’s just that they’re too stupid to realize it, or they simply never learned/forgot American history from school.
That doesn’t mean it’s going to be fun to live through.
Viva la Gilded Age!
The quiet part is out loud now and the dems are acting just as fascist as they yell at us that only they can save us from fascists.
I didn’t like her purchase and manipulation of the Democrat party, and abrogating the democratic process in denying the people their choice of Bernie Sanders.
But hey, let’s not quibble about words.
And now we have a convicted felon poised to be dictator.
Such a wide open door to walk through, and our broken incestuous Democrat party couldn’t get their shit together enough to run a candidate who can talk.
DON’T BLAME THE VOTERS.
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Well, those voters shouldn’t have been such fucking short sighted morons then.
Voters? How about the Democratic party? You’re telling me there isn’t a compelling candidate in the entire fucking United States of America?
There aren’t any that corporations can get behind.
The democrats don’t care, as long as they don’t offend their base. And then doing any sort of legit challenge/change/effort, would offend that base.
The average democratic voter is incredibly complacent and happy with the status quo in this country.
They don’t really care too much about their base. It’s really their donors and themselves that they care about. The donors and the important people in the democratic party are very rich, so a Trump dictatorship would merely be an inconvenience and embarrassment to them. If it really got bad they’d move to another country and try to gain support as the legitimate government in exile.
Yeah, from my perspective, it failed long before that. The Democrats couldn’t achieve their true objective if they had allowed Bernie to be elected, which was to give the illusion of a better option while ensuring that the status quo isn’t affected where it relates to power and wealth.
Bernie was blocked for the same reason Biden isn’t trying to block Israel from destroying Palestine.
3 SCOTUS picks in 4 years and a lot of the shit happening now is the direct result of that.
Imagine what a 7-2 (or 8-1) Conservative Supreme Court would do…
It’ll be worse than that. If Trump wins in the fall, it’ll be due to Democratic abstentions. The downballot effects would likely result in Republican control of Congress.
They’ll be able to expand and pack the court all they’d like with Senate and House majority.
They won’t even need to pack the court, although nothing would surprise me. They would use their position to further suppress the votes of the less wealthy, making it less likely for them to lose power. They would further dismantle education creating a less educated population to keep them in power forever.
No thanks
The DNC signed it’s death warrant with that one. Bernie got screwed. We got Trump. The Supreme Court just handed Trump ultimate supreme dictator status. We all know Biden doesn’t have the balls to do anything about it and he certainly isn’t going to win the election.
As long as the R’s can get 40 seats in the Senate this fall the great experiment finally fails.
What new decision did SCOTUS make?
Absolute immunity for all official acts by a president, whether technically within their power or not. It’s now possible Trump cannot be held accountable for his attempted coup because he did it as the sitting president - because SCOTUS implied it’s Constitutional for him to attempt to overthrow the government.
The DNC signed it’s death warrant with that one.
Bernie refused to join the DNC. He was doing his usual pump&dump dirty pool of winning a Primary and refusing the nomination so that the Democrats wouldn’t be able to run anyone in the general.
Bernie got screwed
…because he couldn’t get as many votes. None of that superdelegate bullshit people are talking about came to pass. He just wasn’t popular enough among a party he refused to be a member of. Go figure.
One thing you got wrong is that Bernie got screwed. He got demolished by Clinton, by 12% points and millions of votes. It wasn’t even close. Democrats wanted Clinton, and the major complaints about the DNC during the primary was that they said nasty things about him in an email and gave her some debate questions. That’s it. It made no difference in the outcome.
Am I the only one that remember wieserman-sholtz getting successfully sued over that? I swear this country has the memory of an 81 year old president.
Nah, this dude is just lying their asses off for some reason. I get voting for the lesser of two evils, I mean I voted for Clinton as well. But, apparently there are still ride or die Clinton heads out here still sucking down the copium.
What are you referring to, exactly?
Only after the rest of the moderate candidates were convinced to drop out before the debate and voting… Sanders would have likely won the primaries if there were more moderates on the ticket to split the vote.
So you’re saying because the winner was someone more representative of who the average Democrat voted, sanders got screwed.
No, I’m saying that the DNC has the responsibility to remain impartial, and when it doesn’t, it’s not surprising that the candidate they decide deserves to be president loses.
They didn’t decide. The people voted for Clinton and then Biden, overwhelmingly. Because that’s the type of candidate they believe they want. Remember, sanders didnt drop out, he lost. Overwhelmingly so.
Because that’s the type of candidate they believe they want.
Guessing you’ve never heard of the term “manufacturing consent”?
Are you pretending that’s been your argument up to this point?
Btw, why didn’t you point out that both of them backtracked the comments?
I mean yeah that’s true but it’s not like Trump is gonna be pro-palestine.
If anything he is gonna be even more pro-israel because it’s a white supremacist colony.
it’s not like Trump is gonna be pro-palestine
Trump loves Netanyahu for doing in Israel what he wants to do in the US.
Biden loves Israel because he’s bought all the Only Liberal Democracy In The Middle East propaganda they’ve been spewing for decades.
But if you’re a college student getting your head cracked by a SWAT team storming the Columbia campus, Biden is the one asking for your vote. Trump is asking for the SWAT guy’s vote.
And that’s why Trump is going to win. The SWAT guy is going to turn out for Trump while the protester spends the day in the ER.
I’m actually surprised we haven’t heard Trump talking about nuking Gaza yet.
Y—…you guys think Israel being an apartheid state is less than 8 years old?
That’s not what this is saying, no.
My point is, you think this Israel situation hasn’t been on the ballot our entire lives? Because it always has been. Things have gotten worse, sure. But the US has been supporting Israel’s abuse of the Palestinian people, with our votes, since we’ve had the chance to vote. This isn’t new. It’s always been this situation, it’s just changed back and forth between bad and worse.
What? This was never partisan. It’s the West’s parking lot for bombs next to nuclear Iran. When TF was a presidential candidate running on defunding Israel? Nobody ever cared about Palestinians here. And if not for foreign troll farms sparking conflict, they still wouldn’t. Show me one protester who can point to another genocide on a world map right now.
…how are you guys not getting that that is my exact point? If this election it’s on the ballot, it’s always been on the ballot. Everyone youve ever voted into office has had their hands in the Israel shit bucket. Our support is not new. What they’re doing the Palestinians is not new. You guys just weren’t paying attention to it before. The tweet implies 8 years ago we didn’t have these problems…but we did. Because everyone you’ve ever voted into office has blood on their hands. The choice is no different this election than it was 8, 12, 16, 24 etc years ago. The only new addition is the overt fascist.
Perhaps in some primaries you had the odd candidate here and there who opposed continued weapons sales to Israel, but the presidential election has absolutely not had it ‘on the the ballot’ because that would imply you had one candidate who had a significantly different stance on the issue to the other.
…by that logic, it’s not on the ballot this time either.
Correct.
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Wait what tricked me into saying that. Absolutely not indeed, I firmly believe that whatever democrat hand were to lie on the tiller, you’d have a policy that at least had the goal of minimising the loss of Palestinian life, even if that goal proved too difficult to negotiate well. I do not believe the same of Trump - I think his callous disregard for everyone other than himself is absolutely evident. So I think if that is an issue to you and you agree with my base truths, then I think it is on the ballot.
Israel is an apartheid state? How?
People still clamoring for Clinton are why we ended up with Trump and not two terms of Bernie.
What’s happening in Gaza now has been happening a long time, as President Carter said people weren’t demanding change or horrified in general because ‘‘they don’t know, they don’t want to know’’. The passive approval has been there a long long time. Biden may actually respond to pressure, Trump will be directed by his evangelical base to stoke all out unilateral war, and he’ll approve it.
Nothing here is simple, Biden doesn’t control Isreal, and neither will Trump or anyone else, Trump used ‘Palestinian’ as a slur, an insult. He also expressed his stance against Biden as Biden not aiding Isreal MORE. Who do you think is going to effect change in the direction of ending the genocide?
If you’re against the genocide, why in the world would you let the very pro genocide candidate win?
He can absolutely stop giving them half their ammunition and ordnance. Seems like a lot less Palestinians would die in that case.
Yes. He could. If he said that’s the deal tomorrow, I would accept that within the realm of possibility. Trump would never do that. Ever. He’s pro genocide. 100%. Who’s a better choice?
Any number of people after that debate. But he wanted to talk about “doing the right thing” on that ABC interview. While he’s materially supporting war crimes. In the original definition of material support even. So yeah, any reasonably high profile democrat with a pulse at this point.
