• disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world
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    And Truman would have something to say about all of the Russian-bought members of Congress. History is cyclical, and we’re approaching another authoritarian period for global powers.

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      I’m glad I’m not the only one seeing this happen all over the world. All over the world we have feckless neoliberal parties failing to represent their people and getting replaced with populist right-wingers.

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          Not just Europe and the anglosphere. It’s also happening in Latin America (ecuador), and that’s basically all the regions where democracy used to be prevalent.

          The middle east is still as dictatorial as it always was. Asia is still as dictatorial as it always has. Africa is still as dictatorial as it always has. I know all of these regions are huge and diverse, and that there are democracies. But none of them I can think of has gained democracy.

          So the places that had democracy are turning less democratic, and the places that had little democracy still have little democracy. I’d say that’s an “All over the world” thing.

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            At least there’s Lula in Brazil. And I’m sure someone could come and tell me something bad about him, but not being Bolsonaro is a huge improvement, and I’ve heard other good things. In fact I believe the majority of Latin America is under leaders to the left of the US Democrats. And no I’m not counting non democracies like Venezuela or Cuba.

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              So the most Democratic countries on this planet according to you are cuba and china. Both of them are 1-party states, and China is straight up a surveillance state. Ok lol.

              Does china pay you or are you spreading their bullshit propaganda for free?

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                  I guess not having freedom of press and a very censored internet is an easy way to have the population like the government. You could feed people worms if you don’t let them know there’s other food out there, they’ll like you if you tell them out there not even worms exist.

                  The people of Hong Kong absolutely LOVED having their democracy suppressed by china’s (#1 best democracy of the world!!!).

                  I guess nobody even asked the Uyghurs how they feel about their government. Or they’re <10% of Chinese population so who cares, they don’t need democracy.

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                The US is effectively a one-party system as well, because the rest of the world gets fucked over either way you guys vote.

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                  1. I’m not a US citizen and I don’t remember mentioning it in this thread.

                  2. That’s not what one-party system means. The US is in principle a many-party system, but because of how their system works it means that voting anything that isn’t one of the 2 top parties means throwing away your vote. Making it a functionally 2-party system, which is way more democratic than a 1-party system.

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                    If you think a two party system is “way more” democratic than a one party system, there’s nothing else worth discussing with you.

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        I’m not defending America’s actions. I’m stating that many members of US Congress are funded by Russian oligarchs.

        The influence was apparent when Republicans withheld aid from Ukraine until they were forced to choose between funding Ukraine along with Israel, or leaving Israel without weapons.

        Does that sound like a government body that is representing its constituents?

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          OK, but sending weapons to either of these places is bad, both for the people whose wealth is being wasted to blow up people on the other side of the world, mostly civilians (almost entirely civilians in Israel’s case) and the people getting blown up

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            Supplying Ukraine with the weapons needed to defend themselves against a Russian invasion is bad?!?

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              The US is not supplying Ukraine with weapons because they have any interest in the well-being of the people in Ukraine. They are supplying the weapons to extend a war as long as possible to weaken Russia, at the expense of hundreds of thousands of dead and wounded Ukrainians and millions displaced.

              This is infinitely worse for the people living there than if Russia won a quick victory or if we’d taken literally any off-ramp in the last decade.

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                Fucking what?

                It doesn’t matter what the US supplies Ukraine. It’s Ukraines fight. It’s up to Ukraine to decide to forfeit the fight or to keep fighting.

                By your logic we (humanity) should just let any country invade any other country and take over it’s people just because “it’s easier to give in than fight.” Giving in would be for the benefit of the people, right? That’s what you’re saying? Fuck right off.

                Russia should not have invaded Ukraine in the first place.

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                    I’m not arguing that it hasn’t been a proxy war. Of course, NATO doesn’t want a global superpower to take over another country. It sets a precedence. Just like they(we) wouldn’t want China to freely take over Taiwan.

                    Sabatoged peace talks? All the peace talks included Russia taking over at least some of Ukraine’s land. At which point, they slowly move their borders, encapsulating Ukraine piece by piece, year by year. Submitting to “Peace Talks” in which Russia is able to take some kind of Ukrainian land is submission to Russia.

                    Ukraine didn’t invade Russia. Russia should have simply never invaded Ukraine. Ukraine can fight this with whatever they can get from around the world.

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                  It’s Ukraines fight. It’s up to Ukraine to decide to forfeit the fight or to keep fighting.

                  It was laughably corrupt before the war, and since it’s literally suspended elections. It’s a war between Russia and Ukraine’s ruling classes, the people only pay the price.

                  Russia should not have invaded Ukraine in the first place.

                  Sure, but Russia’s government doesn’t pretend to represent you or me. The US government does. We could have also avoided this by not doing a coup in Ukraine and putting a hostile government right on Russia’s border.

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                    We could have also avoided this by not doing a coup in Ukraine and putting a hostile government right on Russia’s border.

                    The US had nothing to do with Zelenski getting into power in Ukraine. That is a lie from the Kremlin. Thanks for taking the mask off Russian Shill

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                    Ukraine didn’t invade Russia. Some countries have hostile borders, this isn’t uncommon. Invasions to take over the government isn’t the solution, but Russia has made the bed that they’re gonna lay in. Allowing Russia to take Ukraine sets a dangerous precedence.

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        If you haven’t yet, I recommend watching Traumazone. All 7 hours of it offers a beautiful insight in USSR 1980’s to 1999.

        Yes, USA supported shitty stuff. But the system rotted itself out first with corruption and production mismatching demand while fighting pointless war in Afghanistan, which created the power vacuum and collapse.