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Additionally, the researchers found that life dissatisfaction indirectly influenced right-wing populist voting through two key attitudes: political distrust and anti-immigration sentiment. Dissatisfied individuals were more likely to distrust political institutions and view immigration negatively, which in turn increased their likelihood of voting for right-wing populist parties. Notably, anti-immigration sentiment emerged as the stronger of the two mediators.
And this is the key point of right-wing propaganda. Destroy trust into organizations, sow sentiments against immigrants, spread fear by overhyping individual crimes, produce anxiety. Basically “make people angry and fearful”.
And since the media - especially social media - is trapped in an attention economy where mainly bad news drive engagement it’s no wonder people have a skewed and negative view of reality.
Yeah, duh: making immigrants and politicians the scapegoat works best when people are unhappy with life.
To me it’s extremely transparent however that neoliberals and conservatives have defunded and weakened our institutions so they can no longer fulfill their responsibilities. This leads to dissatisfaction which the extreme right blames on immigrants and correctly on neoliberal politicians.
That this leads to women voting for patriarchs, Jewish people for descendants of Nazis and second generation immigrants for racists, is so frustrating.
anti-immigration sentiment.
I wonder why indiginous wage slaves would feel this way… Like there is no way to tell why they would feel like this.
CBO estimated that net immigration was 2.67 million immigrants in 2022, and 3.3 million immigrants in 2023, the highest in its data going back to 2000, and about triple the average rate between 2000 and 2021 (1.05 million immigrants per year).
I wonder what happened in 2022 that made daddy bringing all these additional slaves.
Immigrants don’t need to be “brought.” This is right-wing rhetoric, but most ironic of all is that these “wage slaves” are literally better off with more immigration, not less.
I trust u bro
Unhappiness and fear linked to fascism? Unbelievable! But yeah, I think that’s something you more or less directly learn as German if you look back on our democracy, the Weimarer Republik, before rise of national socialism. Many people didn’t believed in democracy at the first place, but the bad economic situation made it even worse. If you are unhappy or even fear about your future that’s a great attack point for right wing propaganda.
I was thinking about this before scrolling comments. It seems many on the right support/vote for policies that actively make their quality of life seemingly better in the short term, and are surprised and disappointed when the long-term consequences of their decisions begin happening to become noticeable (usually more for me, less for thee?). When they discover the policies affect them, personally, they become angry and belligerent, looking to place blame on external factors. The left (I don’t mean neoliberal) seem to go within, asking things like, “how did my voting choices affect this? What have I learned? How can I calibrate my choices for better results, going forward?” then try to make better decisions, even if it hurts them more, personally, in the short term, hoping for better across-the-board results long term?
I’ve just begun milling this, so I’ve no idea if this is correct or not. I’d love to see some research on it.
All this learning what has it accomplished? The fascists are on the rise again.
The contemporary witnesses are dying. I wouldn’t say it’s because of them not being able to tell their stories anymore, but a human life is enough time for a society to forget. And if I say society, I really mean the majority of people forget, nowadays just many have forgotten, too many, but not the majority. There always have been a few people who couldn’t forget because they never knew, never wanted to know, we call them neo-nazis. They are on the rise again, all the crises of the last years have helped them and still do so, but I don’t think people who haven’t forgotten would follow them.
It works for both left and right wing populism. Unfortunately, the former tends to (almost always) manifest the latter. Just look at all left-wing populists who (understandably) hate Joe Biden rolling out the red carpet for Donald Trump.
As a left wing populist, I do hate Joe Biden rolling out the red carpet for Donald Trump
The rise of right-wing in Europe can be directly attributed to the massive influx of right-wing conservative ideologues from the middle East pouring in.
I’m a huge proponent of immigration, but what we’re seeing here is the backlash of immigration done incredibly poorly.
There will be articles for years that tap dance around with us, but if you listen to the people who are voting for right-wing assholes, it’s pretty clear why they’re doing it and what they’re saying. The Press has been bullied into avoiding talking about it though under the guise of islamophobia.
I honestly think that no matter what we’re doing the right would have a problem with migration because they want to go back to a white supremacist kind of society. We’re hearing the same shit how about Syrians and Ukrainians now that we heard in the 90s about Russian and Yugoslavian people, in the 60s/70s about Italian, Spanish, Polish, Turkish people and in the 40s/50s about German refugees.
I’d disagree with that. For 50 years Canada did pretty well letting in controlled numbers of people from around the world. Then they opened the flood gates and problems started.
I’m not sure it’s about being black and white, i feel like it’s more about people feeling the need to integrate which doesn’t happen when you arrive with 100,000 of your countrymates.
What do you mean with them „opening the flood gates“? I would be interested to see some data on that. AFAIK Canada has one of the strictest migration politics in the world.
In Germany we now have people whose grandparents have migrated to Germany, but they’re still not considered „true“ Germans just because of their names, looks and religion. Even though in the Americas they have their own racist things going on, the normal thing is that if you’re a citizen, people won’t doubt that you’re American.
The same isn’t true in European countries and as I said it didn’t actually matter where people were from, German society was incredibly hostile towards German refugees after the 2nd world war, where there was little need to integrate or learn the language, yet the rhetoric was surprisingly similar to that about e.g. Syrians today.
Canada used to have a strict policy and on some levels still do outside of the programs being instituted to supplement the workforce and to bring refugees in from complex zones, we’ve allowed in over double the previous amount for the past couple of years, under various refugee programs. Going a bit farther back there was a large influx of Syrians (and tasty shwarma!). The canada.ca website details the rapid increase in numbers quite well.
I would never say that these people move to Canada are not true Canadians because at one point my family got here on a boat and my wife’s family escaped an islamist regime to come here too. We’re both quite Canadian in culture and jean jackets.
From what I see, many of these problems derive from cultural conflicts that were previously not apparent because while many people knew to a country tend to stick together when they are a true minority, they tend to work to fit in. When you have large waves of people coming at once, there’s no impetus for them to fit in because they can stay within their own cultural confines… As sad as it is to say, some of those cultural confines are very much at odds with the greater Canadian culture.
I find it incredibly lazy to make such a big statement and then not back it up with data, not even on request. But I checked myself and what I found does not back your statement at all. Maybe I’m looking at different numbers than you did and in that case I’d like to see yours but from what I see they let in roughly the same number of people for decades.
Regarding the cultural compatibility, again, they were saying the same thing about German refugees within Germany and they’re saying that right now in Poland about Ukrainians, and in Turkey about Syrians, hell even in Lebanon and Jordan about Syrians. So to get back about your initial point, I don’t think it has anything to do with middle eastern culture, it has to do with people being xenophobic in general and the media and politicians fueling that for their own benefit.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/443063/number-of-immigrants-in-canada/
You’re lazily conflating immigration and refugee data. It’s a combination of both the Canada is struggling with. Right now. There’s no shortage of analysis or study showing that far too many people are coming to Canada than our system can handle. Even the federal government who is the one who set these policies have started walking them back.
As someone who hails from a middle Eastern culture and is married to an Iranian refugee, I can say with certainty that the influx of people coming from the places that my wife and I escaped are absolutely causing societal problems for us here in Canada. I’m far from a pull. The ladder up behind me. Kind of guy but I’m also a citizen of this country which is being quite clearly impacted by the oversaturation of new people coming from very small pockets of this planet into Canada. This isn’t being driven by politicians. Both the conservative and the liberal sides of politics in this country are very much pro-immigration due to our inability to maintain our population rates and tax base without it. The people of Canada on the other hand are starting to show more and more discontent with this approach.
Thanks for the source. I see what you mean but even at 400k migrants vs 200k we’re talking like an increase from 0.5% to 1% of the total population. In Germany we took something like 3% in 2015 and honestly it was often a chaos but we absolutely managed. There was mostly the problem that everyone wanted to go to the big cities because of racism in the countryside and terrible infrastructure if you didn’t have a car.
Well regarding the rest what can I say, I wish you all the best, but if you think you or your wife will be left alone because you’re the good kind of migrant vs all the others who are from „backwards Islamic cultures“, that’s not how right wing populism works. If it hits them, you’re gonna be next sooner or later. People have tried riding the wave before, there were even Jews fighting for the Wehrmacht in WW2 until they ended up in the camps. Hope you don’t mind the analogy but I hope you get my point.
While I don’t disagree, it is possible that populism is exacerbated both by misery and by potentially legitimate anti-immigration sentiments.
