Reddit tried to sticky this post for moderators around 12p CST today, and they’ve since tried to bury it. Thought it might be good to back up the link here.
Here’s a screenshot so you don’t give the site any traffic
That’s the most wishy-washy weasel-word corporate PR professional bullshit post I’ve ever seen
“Here, let’s give you more ways to give us feedback that we can then promptly ignore”
Also, I am running out of idea, can you give me some?
“We’re gonna have meaningful weekly meetings with all the hundreds or thousands of you, and we’re gonna take the opportunity to really listen. Now, this isn’t just some platitude to quiet you until we take the company public, but you know, we might suddenly get too busy for these once we’re diving into our piles of cash.”
“We’re gonna compile your input and file it away somewhere safe. Look! I already bought a basket to hold all of them and lined it with a plastic bag! And when my comment can gets reeeeeeaaaallllllly full, I’ll file your comments into a larger bin until the city files those comments with the other valuables!”
“We wanna show you how much we care. We care sooooooooo much that we’re gonna visit you on our “Fuck you, I Wanna be Rich” vacation! We’re gonna see the country and occasionally talk to people in a patronizing tone. For all the shit-holes we don’t feel like visiting, we’re gonna throw you a pizza party! It’s gonna be super revolutionary cuz it’ll be a virtual pizza party! Pay for your own food and watch us eat pizza while we explain to you that you’re not really upset with us, you’re just scared of change and passionate about things that don’t make us rich. Remember to dress up nice, we’d hate for you poors to make us look bad.”
Nailed it. Virtual pizza party really drives it home.
And we won’t really tell you what we’re up to as a company either. You’ll find out with everyone else when we pull the rug from under you
Good riddance
Yes they problem is we haven’t given them enough feedback. Surely if we have them now feedback they would understand the problem. Shutting down the entire website for multiple days was not clear.
Here’s a condensed version:
“It’s not that mistakes were made, you just got angry. Spontaneously. Weird how that happened, when we love you just, like, so much.
Anyways, let’s move on. Fill out a form to become a member of an unpaid focus group.”
Don’t forget, “We’re gonna pay some of our staff to go to cool cities to meet several of you! What an incredible opportunity for them to get frequent flier miles and for you to show up (again, unpaid) at a fake meeting in your free time. This will surely have some kind of impact on how we run things, in that nothing will change whatsoever.”
Thanks for the screenshot
And here’s a screenshot of a hilarious comment that I found in the modcoord discord
Hey thanks
They absolutely need to be called for killing a platform.
fuck reddit’s board. fuck u/spez and his lackeys.
Unlucky, didn’t see this until after I clicked. The new default for posts about reddit here on Lemmy should be that any links are just screenshots or archived versions or something
You get my Lemmy Gold 🏆
Edit: extra bonus for dark mode screenshot!
May I have some Lemmy gold? 👉👈
You can have lemmy lemon🍋
🍋👊🥤 then you punch the lemon until you get lemonade.
Ahhh, lemons: they truly are the grapes of the fist…
🥈you get second place.
Something about this participation-silver hurts far more than it should.
“Second place is the first one to lose.” — Abby Lee Miller - Dance Moms
Pardon my literal autism, but can you explain the problematic implication for me, friend? I don’t understand it ^^
Pretend your the mod of a moderately sized subreddit. You have third party tools you rely on to help keep your community functioning. Reddit takes away your tools, then tells you “you can spend more of your free time in a pointless meeting with us”
Oh, okay, yeah. That make sense. Gotta love that spineless, landlord-during-COVID-style victim-blaming speak. : /
It also is the statement “we’re here to listen to you” in response to a protest with a lot of clear demands. There was no concession or acknowledgement of the possibility of any. There was no apologies for the absolute assholery of the CEO. There wasn’t even an acknowledgement that they’re the ones in the wrong.
It’s like if you’ve been sleeping on the couch until your spouse stops cheating on you and they say “I know you’re mad, but let’s talk this out after work tomorrow” like no, you have to say sorry and that you’ll stop, then we need to talk about how to rebuild the shattered trust.
More of your free time to do our jobs for us while we make some extra cash. What a weird way to do business.
thanks. my /etc/hosts file still has: 0.0.0.0 www.reddit (break link) .com
(I find this helps me break habits)
It just brings up RiF for me, which doesn’t work. I’ve only 99% left though, so I can’t pihole it. I copy over some content and use the pages that turn up on Google search results.
I picture the employees playing rock, paper, scissors to determine who was going to have to make that post; I can’t imagine any of them didn’t know how this was going to play out.
…And the dude that won (lost?) didn’t even know how to link his own username. It looks like he did it via an actual hyperlink! Now that is fantastic example out of touch management.
Not a fan of the mobile site making me pinch and zoom the whole page just to get a better look at an embedded image.
Of course I’m not a fan of embedded images in comments all together and hope they make that like a toggleable thing.
It will get there, eventually.
On one hand Im happy to see that dumpster fire ignite even more. Then on the other hand Im happy to see all those mods end up not being listened to and frustrated by those who have the power.
You reap what you sow, suckers.
Ta much.
honestly this reads like someone who wants to make things right, but is being held back
I can’t tell what that person’s intent is because the post is filled with “I’m sorry you’re upset” platitudes that accept no responsibility or even an understanding of why the mods are so upset in the first place; just more unpaid work they’re expected to do to keep it from happening again.
Yeah. Even if you fully trust this person, this person isn’t Reddit. I don’t think they can do what needs to be done.
Appreciate you!
A mod event in Mumbai? lmao
This comment needs to be pinned lol.
Thanks!
Much love for the post
Let me get this straight- they want mods to have live business meetings with them? As if they’re employees?
I anticipate in the future that that mods will be required to fill out weekly TPS reports. However, if you only have one subreddit you’re moderating, please use up the old cover sheets. If you’re moderating two or more subreddits, please use the new cover sheet. Did you get the memo on this? I’ll send you a copy of the memo.
Yyeeeaaah, I’m gonna need to to stay late and do some more moderating.
At this point, I fully expect reddit to ask the mods to pay a subscription to maintain their mod status in the future.
Once the floodgate of bad decisions has started, it’s not really possible to stop it.
“Reddit as a hosting service. We provide you the infrastructure and discoverability necessary to build and maintain a growing community. Yours for only $50/month!”
Now imagine companies openly buying moderator positions to take over their own subreddit.
It can always get worse.
This comment thread reads like a corporate brainstorming session.
"hmmm. But is there any way we can exploit brown people in some brown country while doing this?’
all that is missing.
The word “openly” is the only thing that separates your comment from currently-happening-reality. Plenty of subs and their mods are bought and paid for.
Also this whole post from the VP is such a load of shit. “We have a seat for you at the table… if you want it.” Boy only a VP in a big corporation could keep a mouth so loaded with horseshit.
Don’t give them ideas because that’s actually kind of too brilliant for them — instead of selling ads only, also directly sell the user base to interested parties.
Lol, this is straight up corporate schpeel for turning reddit into Amway.
schpeel
Spiel
Weekly meetings.
And they will also tour the world! That will surely help with their profitability.
I love that everyone is mad in the thread
I’m also confused why they’re still on Reddit and not over here. Join us, content creators and talented people.
Just came from Reddit. Still testing it out.
Welcome. I am enjoying the Connect app with AMOLED theme and small icons and text. Feels RIF-like.
For me its Voyager
Why is my comment box white text on a white background? I can’t see shit.
We made it that way as a prank.
Jokes aside, sorry that’s happening to you, hopefully you’ll find a solution. Failing everything, get on Jerboa.
They’d rather gargle reddit balls and complain about the taste than to lose their mod status. Nothing else to it. Let them gargle, they have the platform they deserve.
I’m starting to see the bad Reddit mods on Lemmy as well.
Damn, really? Which communities?
Yeah it was just a matter of time. Some of Reddit’s problems weren’t due to the corporation but due to human nature and the kind of people that seek out power.
If we could figure out a way to reward good mods without encouraging overmoderation, I think that would make a huge difference. Also kinda hilarious if it’s financial, if Lemmy starts paying some of its mods while Reddit continues to exploit them for free, but it would require a revenue source.
That’s a rather rude thing to say about people whilst they make an effort to help their communities.
I keep my account so when I see things like this I can go shit on them from a great height.
Thus providing the engagement they need.
I’m also confused why they’re still on Reddit
Because they can’t bring themselves to give up their mod status and “power” on there.
ehh, im over here, i saw the link from here to here, and posted my 2 cents where i can lend support… while basically having quit reddit.
Removed by mod
No mention of the tools they fucked up that they are replacing? Just a bunch of meetings for people who aren’t employees? Lmao get bent.
What a trainwreck of a thread
OP:
This community filters comments from anyone who isn’t a mod of an active community with more than 50 subscribers. […]
Yep, you’re right. It should be disclosed on the sidebar. We won’t do it right now for obvious reasons, but will have this updated before the next post.
So we’re witnessing a thread of angry mods being angry, OP is cherry picking comments and still can’t manage to listen to them.
Also many of the people complaining that their posts are being filtered are mods of communities larger than 50 users, one person pointed out that they mod two subs of more than 500,000 people.
So they lied while acting pretentious, again. To the surprise of no one.
Hey ChatGPT, write me a tone deaf, mealy mouthed, corporate doublespeak screed that completely ignores everything that’s happened for the last month. Be sure and add lots of bullshit about how we will now “listen to mods” and have useless meetings every month.
write me a tone deaf, mealy mouthed, corporate doublespeak screed that completely ignores everything that’s happened for the last month. Be sure and add lots of bullshit about how we will now “listen to mods” and have useless meetings every month.
LMAO I literally fed your prompt into ChatGPT adding only last month WITH REDDIT and the result is…well I’ll let you decide for yourself:
Dear Valued Members of our Community,
We hope this message finds you well. As a corporation committed to fostering a vibrant and inclusive online community, we must acknowledge that the last month has been filled with important developments. We understand that you may have concerns and feedback about recent events, and we would like to assure you that we are dedicated to addressing them in a meaningful manner.
Our commitment to transparency and openness remains unwavering, and we are fully aware of the importance of listening to the voices of our valued moderators. We recognize their invaluable contributions to our platform and are eager to collaborate with them more closely moving forward. To that end, we are excited to announce that we will be implementing monthly meetings where we can engage in productive conversations and work towards mutually beneficial solutions.
These meetings will serve as a unique opportunity to foster a culture of continuous improvement. We believe that by providing a forum for discussion, we can collectively identify challenges and collaboratively explore ways to enhance our community experience. Your feedback is integral to our growth, and these sessions will enable us to listen to your concerns and ideas actively.
At our core, we remain committed to upholding the principles that have made us a beloved community. The spirit of openness, diversity, and respect are cornerstones of our platform, and we intend to reinforce them further through the establishment of task forces, committees, and subcommittees dedicated to addressing specific issues.
We understand that recent events may have raised questions about our corporate values and practices. We are keenly aware that the phrase “tone deaf” has been used in recent conversations, and we genuinely want to acknowledge your concerns. As we move forward, we are committed to learning and growing as a platform, acknowledging where we have fallen short, and working diligently to improve our processes.
Your trust is paramount to us, and we appreciate your continued support as we strive to create a positive and enriching experience for all members of our community. We firmly believe that together, we can build a stronger, more empathetic, and more inclusive environment.
Thank you for your understanding and patience during this time. We value your feedback and look forward to the journey ahead as we make our community even better, together.
Best regards,
[Corporate Representative’s Name]
[Corporate Title]
[Company Name]
You’re awesome, I knew that post came from an AI! 😂
Yep. This is totally good enough to outsource PR speak to AI. ChatGPT has this down pat.
I specifically use it for this purpose lol.
You know what the best part is? ChatGPT doesn’t know about the reddit thing, because it’s training data is 2021 and earlier. This is as bland as the actual message and it was written without knowledge of the problem at all.
I love this so much. :)
c/bestof
Lol this saga is just too funny to me now that I’ve jumped ship. The admins just keep digging
I really thought I’d have a harder time leaving, it hasn’t been bad at all. Maybe a day of habit and then poof, I’m free.
There’s a couple of communities like noncredibledefense and ask historians that I still miss but I recognize that communities won’t spring up here overnight
Be the change you want to see and start them!
There is a noncredibledefense here that I should post in more, but I only have an undergraduate degree in history so I wouldn’t feel right posing as a historian
AskHistorians is s particularly special place. It’s not as simple as just starting it.
I miss that one too. Have the mods there discussed moving to Lemmy?
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Dig up, reddit, Dig up!
They can’t even do bullshit PR correctly. You do the listening tour before the steady stream of unpopular decisions that go against the feedback you just collected.
Holy cow. They’re treating them like employees… Or subjects being given hours in which they can petition the king.
The type of people who would subject themselves to this are… I don’t know man. I really don’t.
What are you upset about? $0/hr is a generous salary.
Yeah, but the perks!
The intent is to provide moderators with a sense of pride and accomplishment.
Best part is…top voted comment…crickets…
Great acknowledgement reddit.
VP of community right there. Has leadership written all over them.
Honestly I moved over here a couple months ago and haven’t had the urge to look back. I love this place.
Out of curiosity I read that post and top comments. That place just smells tainted now. If that post is on tenth accurate I feel bad for anyone that feels the need to stay and be part of that drama.
The fediverse has felt just so much more comfortable and safe. I hope it stays this way.
This place feels like Reddit felt back in the early '10s. It’s great.
Exactly! I remember the excitement back in 2006/2007 when I first tried it. Not much content back then, but it felt like freedom.
This is the reason why I never posted anything on Reddit but started here.
Part of the glory days of the internet. We should recreate more of that.
Where’s all the jokey banterous subs?
It’s far better than reddit is but real discussions still aren’t allowed to happen. Before 2016 or so I was still subscribed to /politics because while we didn’t always agree, we could at least discuss. Then in 2016 everyone got TDS and became a fragile child, unable to handle adult topics without banning or reporting. Wrongthink became a reality. And it’s very much a reality here at lemmy.world and other large fediverse instances.
I only go back for the 2 or 3 very niche communities there, although honestly if feels like even those have dropped in content. I haven’t even logged in, just browse once a week or so. Lemmy is 100% of my toilet time now.
They are “inviting” mods to do even more free work in furtherance of Reddits profitability
They’re expecting the mods to keep the mods from protesting things done against mods in the future.
The way they talk to the mods is absolutely infuriating and the “best” part is they they don’t even recognize it themselves.
Right!? I strait up heard in my head:
Um, I’m gonna need you to go ahead and come in tomorrow. So if you could be here around 9:00, that would be great. Mm-Kay?
Hey Mr Manager, 11181514@lemmy.world here, some dude on Lemmy. So, we’ve all had a… time away from Reddit lately. And I’m here to recognize it, acknowledge that our relationship has been idk fine I guess, and begin the “hey man how’s it going?” conversation.
Not trying to be rude but what part specifically rubbed you in the wrong way? I can see it came off as a little formal but nothing that struck out to me.
I guess some people react to it and other don’t. I’m not trying to be rude either - I just mean that the language that you call “formal” comes off as extreamly disconnected from the community to some of us.
Reddit should be grateful for moderators working for free to moderate their site, and the way they talk to these moderators is absolutely fascinating. I can only assume it comes from living your life around corporate bullshit to the degree that it becomes normal to you.
Normal human decency, friendliness, sense of humor, compassion… Reddit leadership doesn’t have these qualities. Corporate bullshit is a term for when you fake these emotions to reach a strategic goal, such as trying to make people work in the same direction even when it’s not in their interest to do so.
Also, that “we have had…a time” line is just disingenuous as hell. That’s younger-millenial colloquial, and the social context for it only works when there isn’t a power imbalance. This guy’s a VP at the company that’s been kicking people around: he doesn’t get to take that tone.
I think the part where they pretend like they give a shit
It’s specifically the “I’m here to recognize it and acknowledge it and talk about it” part followed up by no recognizing, acknowledging, or talking about anything substantial.
Why any moderator is still giving that website their time I have no idea. Is it just an addiction at this point? Just leave, the reddit owners actively mock you and despise you.
Is it just an addiction at this point?
Yes
Some of us have built real communities over there, full of people we know and like. Those places have lasted years, and it’s like Cheers.
I do not fault people for wanting to keep that alive. And no, moving hundreds or thousands of people to a new platform isn’t feasible, especially when some features like private communities don’t yet exist.
you don’t need to move hundreds of thousands of people to a new platform, you just need to move the people you know and like.
I’m super old, I’ve been around on the internet since the early days. we always did this, we always moved. reddit was a place we moved to once, Now i left that behind because it’s shit, its falling apart and its run by pricks. But it’s okay because you just move to the next thing. the idea of dying on a sinking ship for the addiction of not changing something is really quite new.
In addition, it’s not like that community is going to vanish if some people move and some don’t. you just don’t have to prop up reddits bloated crappy website by actively supporting it with moderation.
Sorry, I meant to say hundreds or thousands. I’ve edited it.
You’re preaching to the choir here. I’ve obviously moved. But lots of others haven’t, and I’m not going to fault them for wanting to keep those relationships alive.
I think you’re overly simplifying the issue regardless. Communication platforms are only as good as the people on them. Case in point, a bunch of my friends and I used to use Google Chat until the XMPP kerfuffle. I wanted to move elsewhere, but all my friends didn’t want to use anything else; Google worked great for them. So, sure, I created a jabber account, signal accounts, wire accounts, etc. They’re all a waste because I’ve got nobody to talk to. My mom isn’t going to use jabber. (I now use Matrix to connect to all those accounts like Google Chat, so I get to have my cake and eat it too. But I’m still technically using their platform, and my friends didn’t move, so I don’t count that.)
Same thing here. Sure, I can use Lemmy on the toilet to get my memes or whatever. Engage in other conversations and debates (like this), but that’s just one facet of how I used Reddit. My friends aren’t here. And they aren’t coming anytime soon; they don’t care about what Reddit is doing, they’re not mods, they don’t use 3rd party apps. So yeah, I still use Reddit a couple times a week from my desktop to check in with that community. I feel bad doing it, but I’d feel bad not doing it too. Maybe one could say if they were truly my friends they’d come with me, but there’s far more of them than me.
That’s why I’m here.
Completely ignored any questions or comments about PR or the conduct of reddit staff. Answered all of 7 questions, probably plants.
This seems to be their modus operandi for visible communication… Answer a few pre-baked questions to make things look nice for the press. Meanwhile, behind closed doors, it’s still a dumpster fire full of tires, oil, and gasoline. One dude is telling all the onlookers to stay calm, while everyone else is throwing wood, paper, water, etc on it to “try” to put it out.
They nuked almost all my accounts the other day. I talked a bunch of shit on the direction they are going and missing Aaron’s leadership. I walked away and here I am. One account I never log in on and with only 3 posts, perma banned. It was obviously targeted…
I just logged in on my NSFW account and lo and behold it has been permanently banned haha. Literally zero comments on it. It wasn’t banned when I deleted my main account after having made comments having a go at reddit and the admins and the current situation, so they’re clearly a bit butthurt and retaliated by …banning my account that never actually does anything other than lurk…which you can still do while permanently suspended lol. Funny that the ban message says
Your accounts are now permanently suspended due to multiple, repeated violations of Reddit’s content policy.
on an account that has never posted lol
Fucking cunts I tell you, they are slicing (figuratively) their own throats
That message sounds like they’ve retroactively banned my deleted account too, unless it’s just a generic message. People were apparently seeing their deleted comments and accounts get restored so I wonder lol. Restore and then permanently ban you so you can’t edit/destroy your comments.
So they look like a more active “community” for the investors. That tracks w/ (fuck) spez is record… That greedy piece of shit.
They did the same to me, I was the top moderator and creator of Animalsbeingderps and Amsterdaments, and had 10-11 years of almost daily content and discussions, I was in general quite outspoken about conservatism and racism on reddit, and the IRL cultures that breed these types of mentalities. I was also pretty active on vaporents which was in nono territory for a while. First all of my alt accounts were permabanned, then the first time I made a comment on lemmy against reddit’s actions with this account, my main account was also permabanned. Bloody priceless.
Derps was one of my favorites! I was outspoken on the admin team and racism but to be transparent I am Conservative in a Libertarian scope. You do you, just don’t infringe. So we are opposite of the scope both getting massively banned, maybe we have more in common than we think? Still suck to put in that much time and get the raw end.
Animalsbeingderps was a great sub! I knew they were tracking all reddit accounts but to monitor other websites is downright Orwellian.
I worked at the same place as Aaron Swartz, actually. It’s also gone to shit. RIP Aaron.
We lost a good man to corp/gov tyranny that day.
I did the same. Except I kept the porn stuff. Cause you know the advertisers love that stuff.
NIIIIICE, monkey wrench in the system! I have alts I don’t use to keep my NSFW subs up. I just have to get creative they don’t find the connection. It kills me cause none of them are HC, mostly fetish models I to an interest in…
Same, after I said:
If you’re going to run a poll to decide the future of this sub, you should have the poll be off-reddit and linked here. They’ve edited comments in the past, what makes you think they wouldn’t edit poll results to favor them?
I assume they’ve been browser fingerprinting for a long time since they banned 8+ accounts, including ones I haven’t logged in to for like 4 years (I created a new account every time one hits ~10k karma for privacy)
No one should participate in a single meeting until they fire Steve Huffman. They cannot begin to mend the shit relationship they created unless they apologize for his bullshit…and that apology won’t mean anything if he still works there.
