• CommanderM2192@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    If the US took the 4 billion they give to Israel and instead.

    My answer still stands.

    IF

    No, your answer does not “still stand”. Yet again, you completely ignore reality and history. You know what happens when Palestinians are given “material conditions for their society to flourish”? They fucking murder your leaders and attempt to overthrow your country and impose their beliefs on you.

    The majority of Palestinian men are violent extremists. They don’t need resources, they need rehabilitation. Just like the Nazi and Imperialist Japanese men needed.

    At best, you’re a completely ignorant and naïve fool who is completely ignorant of what it’s like in the Middle East. At worst, you know exactly what’s going on and you’re just another propaganda mouth for true hatred.

    I don’t hate Arabs. But I do hate Muslims who support the murder of gay men. That I will freely and openly admit. Just how I admit that I hate Nazis. I hope that anyone who has purposefully murdered innocents dies. Whether that’s a member of Hamas or a member of Likud.

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      That’s because the Palestinians were trying to de-Nazify Jordan.

      Give them a break!

      Totes justified. Sheesh.

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      1 year ago

      You didn’t write the answer down. Just because you don’t like the answer doesn’t mean it’s not the answer. There are many ways to cross a river, but a bridge is still the best option.

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            I do have it. Which is how I know that I should not “love” people who murder innocents.

            Do you know the definition of “murder”? Is it murder if someone jumps in front of your car and you kill them? Is it murder if a police officer tries to shoot a suicide bomber but kills a civilian behind them? Is it murder if a president orders a drone strike but the target is actually a hospital? Is it murder if you bomb a weapons factory of your aggressor and civilians are employed there?

            To state it plainly, again. I wholeheartedly support swift justice for Palestinians who have been wronged. Including the execution of any in the Israeli government, IDF, and Israel who are guilty of murder. I also wholeheartedly support swift justice for all other innocents in the Middle East who have been wronged.

            But that’s completely besides the original fucking point. Hamas has taken innocents hostage. Hamas launches rockets at innocents. Hamas is the elected government of Gaza. The international community is completely unwilling to provide the necessary aid and forces to remove Hamas from power with minimal bloodshed. They have been completely unwilling to enforce any kind of peace in the Middle East for decades. Yet Muslims continue to murder, rape, torture, and enslave on a far larger scale than the worst Israelis.

            WHAT. SHOULD. ISRAEL. DO? Just show some love? Grow the fuck up. Give us some actual solutions besides “nothing and love XOXO 😍❤️💛💚💙💜😘😝😜”.

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              I do have it. Which is how I know that I should not “love” people who murder innocents.

              Then you don’t really have empathy.

              WHAT. SHOULD. ISRAEL. DO? Just show some love? Grow the fuck up. Give us some actual solutions besides “nothing and love XOXO 😍❤️💛💚💙💜😘😝😜”.

              Martin Luther King, Jr. and Ghandi found the answer. It is peace through love. I still highly suggest you write it down.

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                There is effective love, but chatting about love on the internet without doing anything kinda makes you look naive - and indeed, you likely are.

                But if you have real love that can survive and contribute, then do it. Get involved. Learn Arabic, spend time in Palestine, spend time in Israel. Get to know people, and work on healing the underlying emotional scars that boil to the surface like this.

                Until then, I may appreciate your love as ‘nice’, but it’s not meaningful like you think it is unless you also back it up with will and power.

                It’s easy to sit on the sidelines and criticize, which at the very least flirts with being avoidant rather than loving. But if you love, and this is your calling, go do it.

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                  That’s self righteous and unproductive. So, you can only love and show empathy in the places where it’s needed, when it’s needed? How magnanimous. Love anywhere spreads love everywhere.

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                    Do as you wish. I think your take is ineffectual. But you’re, of course, welcome to it. You’ll just need to convince the people who are directly involved of the validity of your viewpoint. You will succeed, or live with what they do. But i think it’s the latter, as people tend to ignore those who have strong opinions but aren’t really willing to get involved.

                    Good luck.

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                Gandhi’s peace was not non-confrontational. He conducted mass protests, refusal of payment to authorities, and mass exodus from British commerce.

                Throwing reference to his name as simply a “love of peace” is ignoring the circumstances and actions that lead to peace. Everyone loves peace. The question is what kind of confrontation you accept to achieve it.

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                  That’s reductionist but funny. That would make you, what? A conservative? Let me guess. A moderate centrist liberal? Know thyself.