• atro_city@fedia.io
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    2 months ago

    Have you seen what Western countries do when a government refuses to do their bidding? They just pay the opponent to supplant them.

    Look up Patrice Lumumba. Look up Rwanda and Congo. Look at Venezuela.

    What do you think the US has done to hold influence in countries? There’s an incredibly huge list.

    Western companies like Steinmetz influenced government officials in a multitude of countries for decades. Only in 2023 were they sentenced.

    So, why do children have to work? Because western companies roam rampant in their countries, western countries (the worst of which is the USA in recent history) do so too and they do not punish their national companies either. Look at the stink the US is throwing when the EU - an ally and fellow western country - takes action against their multinationals. Read up on the US response to the Digital Services and Digital Markets Act. Read up on how the USA influenced the Netherlands to stop their golden goose from selling chip making machines to China. If the US could do that to the EU, what do you think European countries can do to developing countries that aren’t part of a union, have little to no power, and no courts to turn to with any power.

    And of course the banking system is setup in a manner that makes it difficult to climb out of poverty. Developing countries are given loans for things the bank knows they can never achieve nor pay back, so the countries are constantly in dept, making it harder for them to invest.

    It’s good that you’re asking questions. I’d advise you to search for the answers yourself too to understand how the world works.

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      2 months ago

      Yeah, so it’s mostly fault of those countries having very poor leadership that is not capable of protecting their citizens.

      There are several countries that were rather undeveloped but managed to overcome this, for example South Korea, Taiwan or UAE.

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        “Do as we say or we will kill you”

        Yeah, it’s mostly their fault

        If you want to continue blaming the victims, well, I cannot help you.

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          2 months ago

          I do not know how their governments are victims. They are either incapable or enjoy abusing their citizens.

          However, that’s again not fault of the west that people in the middle east/africa/north korea have abusive or incompetent governments.

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            2 months ago

            I feel like you did not read a word I wrote…

            Let’s just end this here. You’re either unwilling or incapable of comprehending.

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              2 months ago

              I indeed read what you wrote. Your argument is that western countries abuse the other ones. However, how it is then possible that some countries are not abused (for example, where I live governments would not allow chile labor) at all and managed to grow and succeed despite having problems in the past?

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                2 months ago

                Which country are we talking about? If you aren’t willing to reveal it, then why not look it up yourself?

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                  2 months ago

                  I am talking about slovakia. Desptive having absolutely horrible governments now, as well as in the past, none of them pushed for child labor

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                    Bro, I thought you were going to say India or something. Slovakia? That’s a Western country!

                    It has barely anything noteworthy in the ground to subjugate the populate over. Your country isn’t blessed/cursed by resources.

                    in 2019, slovakia was ranked fourth globally in the production of natural zeolites (accounting for 10% of the world’s production) and seventh in the production of magnesite compounds (accounting for 1.8% of the world’s mine production and 1.4% of the world’s reserves)

                    source

                    They got a helping hand to get into the Euro-zone, which is of course a huge motivation get your country on track. And of course a fellow western power would have little reason to fuck the the country up.

                    It’s part of the EU, for crying out loud. It has access to large markets with no tolls, money can be transferred between it and the rest of the EU for nothing (compared to remittance transferred outside of the EU to Asian, South American, and African countries). The unemployment dropped from ~20% in 1999 (pre-EU) to ~5% (2019).

                    To sum up

                    • Slovakia is in Europe
                    • It has few natural resources
                    • It’s part of the EU and most importantly the Euro-zone

                    Do you truly believe those factors have nothing to do with its current state?