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There’s the pointless blame game, y’all play when your “democracy” fails again and again and again. When the fuck are you stupid Americans gonna figure out what the rest of the world knows from the USA spreading “freedom” and “democracy”? You have no one to blame but yourself, bud.
Yep, completely my fault, I didn’t do anything to stop all the evil in the world. I am truly worthy of contempt
Maybe you should turn that anger away from the people who oppose genocide, and toward the people who convinced you to support their genocide and that it would pay off for you in the end.
What was the alternative? Blue genocide or red genocide. You fucks make it sound like there was a choice
So your pro-genocide messaging/strategy failed and that’s somehow my fault?
Did you talk to your representatives/party phone bankers and tell them that their parties support for Genocide will cost them the election? I did.
Did you go to protests to make it known that genocide is a deal breaker for you and masses of others? I did.
It’s not my fault that democrats are genocidal right wingers who lost an election to other genocidal right wingers. I did my best to convince the Democrats, they didn’t do anything to convince me.
So, what you’re saying is that you voted for genocide.
No, you did, and you’re mad that your genocidal candidate lost so you’re lashing out.
If you gave my vote to Kamala she still loses the electoral college by 70+ and the popular vote by 5million.
Maybe do some self reflection and growth instead of lashing out at people for daring to oppose genocide.
Maybe do some self reflection and growth
This is universally good advice.
So, what you’re saying is that you didn’t vote blue genocide, so you voted red genocide. got it.
There is always a choice, you failed to make it. “Oh third parties can’t win” they can. Easily. You just need to vote for them. But Americans like you wanted genocide. You’re just mad you might be a victim sooner than later.
Yep, us collective Americans can just all agree to vote third party… Except the reds won’t, so you just advocated red genocide.
… They can. Easily
I don’t know where you’re from but third party candidates have never won in the US because of fptp voting.
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she didn’t even win the popular vote and there’s aren’t enough leftists to keep up that blue wall.
I hope you like the result of Genocide Joe and Holocaust Harris hard work to win their election! Blue MAGA really did a great job of banning dissent from their echo chamber to keep the gas chamber going. Turns out Genocide is not as popular as they made you believe.
Well, buckle your seatbelt, it’s gonna be a Trumpy ride. You thought the blue pill was bitter, wait until you taste the red one.
Thanks for putting us into this mess!
Your comment makes no sense
Blue MAGA did not put in effort to resist the Democrats running a Nazi candidate. They thought they could get away with it while they clearly didn’t.
I can’t tell if this comment is ignorant or malicious, but I’m not sure if the difference even matters here.
Wait until you see what trump does you idiots
Yeah, he might 100% support genocide via his cutout McGurk… Oh wait, Biden kept McGurk on staff from Trump’s first term and has been letting him guide policy this whole time…
You do know mcgurk’s been there through bush and obama too, right? He’s not a trump installation
Yeah, the party that ran against W’s war crimes kept him twice. And they wonder why their voters are dispirited.
Yeah, imagine if he did something absolutely evil like concentration camps and genocide…
Oh wait…Bidens doing that and Kamala made her intentions to continue doing so very clear…
Blue maga angry we wouldn’t follow them into genocide hell for coconut lady
Isn’t Israel’s dirty little money fingers in damn near every nook and cranny of all of the USA’s federal elections, and by large amounts?
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Who cares about genocide and actual demonization of immigrants.
The real issue is that white men weren’t the absolute center of attention for 5 minutes. Ignore the fact that she was replacing a white man, running against a white man, and her VP was a white man…white men are obviously the real victims here! /s
What you call “denying the humanity, feelings, and fears of white males” is a standard experience of every single other group of people (you’re literally doing it to them in the comment I’m replying ) and it stems from capitalist alienation, not “wokeness” or whatever.
Who cares about genocide and actual demonization of immigrants.
I mean… Do you? What things are you doing to address these issues?
Edit: Also, did you assume I’m a white male? I’m not.
I mean… Do you? What things are you doing to address these issues?
Yes. The most basic thing I’ve done was demanding the genocidal party stops doing the genocide if they want my support which I’ve done since oct-8, their refusal to listen doesn’t change my demands or how serious I was in those convictions.
Also, did you assume I’m a white male? I’m not.
Did I? You pushed the white male victimhood narrative and I expressed why thats wrong, that doesn’t change based on your race/sex.
The most basic thing I’ve done was demanding the genocidal party stops doing the genocide if they want my support which I’ve done since oct-8, their refusal to listen doesn’t change my demands or how serious I was in those convictions.
How’s that been working for you?
Did I?
I believe you did. You referred to me “doing it to them (other people)”. I’m other people.
You pushed the white male victimhood narrative
Did I? I didn’t, in any way, make a judgement on the value or ethical implications of the dehumanization of white men (even the poor ones). I didn’t imply it was right or wrong. I merely suggested, sarcastically, that it was a big factor in losing the election.
You seem to be under the impression that this dehumanization is warranted, though. Do you think this mindset helps the problems that our societies and democracies are currently facing?
Do you think ranking people regarding their levels of assumed victimization due to ethnic, sexual or identity backgrounds is something desirable in general?
Food for thought, my friend.
How’s that been working for you?
The blue genocidal party lost just as I told them they would if they didn’t listen and stop doing genocide. So I guess I’ve been vindicated in my demands they stop.
I believe you did. You referred to me “doing it to them (other people)”. I’m other people.
Are you really going to debate bro me on whether I assumed you to be a white male or not?..going so far as to remove context to try and make specific phrasing seem pointed?
What you call “denying the humanity, feelings, and fears of white males” is a standard experience of every single other group of people (you’re literally doing it to them in the comment I’m replying )
You placed “white males” as a standalone group in your comment.
I stated that white males are not seperate from other groupings of people and by separating them into their own group and dismissing the struggles of other groups you are “denying the humanity, feelings, and fears” of all those other groups.
You don’t have to be a white male to do this… obviously…
Did I? I didn’t, in any way, make a judgement on the value or ethical implications…
Oh, you just are a debate bro…hhhfff
I didn’t, in any way, make a judgement on the value or ethical implications
You don’t need to.
I merely suggested, sarcastically, that it was a big factor in losing the election.
So this is when you, sarcastically, pushed the white male victimhood narrative.
You seem to be under the impression that this dehumanization is warranted, though.
What? So you don’t believe in the white male victimhood narrative and weren’t pushing it…but my rebuttal of the white male victimhood narrative signals to you that I support white males being victims…this doesn’t make any logical sense.
Do you think ranking people regarding their levels of assumed victimization due to ethnic, sexual or identity backgrounds is something desirable in general?
No. Hence why I opposed your attempt to “sarcastically” rank white males at the top of a victimization totem pole.
Edit: BTW…did you assume I’m not a white male?..
The blue genocidal party lost just as I told them they would if they didn’t listen and stop doing genocide. So I guess I’ve been vindicated in my demands they stop.
Do you think this will have an impact on the actual genocide, though? Do you feel like you’ve done enough? Can you fairly and honestly say this is something you care about if this is your only action regarding this problem?
Are you really going to debate bro me on whether I assumed you to be a white male or not?
Yes, this is definitely what I want to do with my afternoon (this is actually not sarcastic). Did I remove any relevant context? Please elaborate if you care to continue this surreal tangent.
You placed “white males” as a standalone group in your comment.
I did.
white males are not seperate from other groupings of people
dismissing the struggles of other groups
Any chance on giving that statement second thought? I think you’ll find something interesting.
Oh, you just are a debate bro
I’m unfamiliar with the term. Maybe if you clarify I can tell you if I feel identified with the definition.
this is when you, sarcastically, pushed the white male victimhood narrative.
Erm… So by me suggesting their vote was lost, i implied they were victims? I’m sorry but I disagree.
my rebuttal of the white male victimhood narrative signals to you that I support white males being victims
No. I think you may have a fixation with victimhood and its implications on the value and humanity of people, and I think you’ve pushed this fixation in every point during this exchange, projecting it into my arguments.
rank white males at the top of a victimization totem pole.
This is another example of the former. You seem to be under the impression that victimization is a ranking system.
Maybe I should clarify. Under my perspective, everyone deserves to be listened to, have their humanity accepted and treated with respect (even in situations of conflict and mutual destruction). You, me, white males, bolivians, jews, palestines, fundies, tankies, billionaires, criminals, war criminals, nazis, hitler, genghis khan. Everyone.
The reason behind this is that without that basic extension of empathy, all possibilities of consensus are lost before a conversation even begins. Do I always extend these basic forms of empathy to everyone? No, sometimes I’m a dick, but I do try.
My original point was about the consequences of the lack of willingness to convey these basic forms of empathy to white males in the election (this doesn’t imply i consider them victims. I don’t.)
What I’m currently trying to convey now is that victimization is not a ranking system, friend. And voting or not voting for someone is not an effective course of action to solve anything you truly care about.
I’m sorry people you care about are suffering. <3
Edit: I don’t think I did, and I honestly have no use for information regarding your sex, gender or ethnicity.
Do you think this will have an impact on the actual genocide, though? Do you feel like you’ve done enough? Can you fairly and honestly say this is something you care about if this is your only action regarding this problem?
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Yes. Trump’s incompetence is much more likely to lead to failure.
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No. While you still draw breath and the genocide is ongoing, you can never say you’ve done enough.
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Where did I say this was my only action? I specifically called it my “most basic” action, indicating I view it as one of the easiest/least impactful.
Did I remove any relevant context?
Yes, and I provided the context directly under where I accused you of removing it. I was speaking of the “white male” group you singled out in relation to other groups. You made it seem as if I was singling you personally out in relation to other groups.
This is the last I’ll say on it, since we both agree that the sex, gender and ethnicity of the other is irrelevant.
Any chance on giving that statement second thought? I think you’ll find something interesting.
I’ve thought about it and have determined that white males do not face unique forms of discrimination due to them being white males, simply the same capitalist oppressions which used to be reserved for others. So to single them out as a unique group that is discriminated against is not based in reality.
"When you’re accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression "
I’m unfamiliar with the term. Maybe if you clarify I can tell you if I feel identified with the definition.
Someone who’s desire for engaging in and “winning” internet debates is libidinal.
Erm… So by me suggesting their vote was lost, i implied they were victims?
No, suggesting that their vote was lost due to the democratic party “denying their humanity, feelings and fears” implies they are victims of having those things stripped away.
Under my perspective, everyone deserves to be listened to, have their humanity accepted and treated with respect (even in situations of conflict and mutual destruction). You, me, white males, bolivians, jews, palestines, fundies, tankies, billionaires, criminals, war criminals, nazis, hitler, genghis khan. Everyone.
So we have a core disagreement here (though I don’t see the relevance).
Respect is freely given but can be lost. How do you respect Nazis? Baby Hitler did nothing wrong sure, adult Hitler is a different story. We didn’t beat Hitler by hearing him out and defeating him in the marketplace of ideas. We pushed the Nazis in and he ate a bullet.
My original point was about the consequences of the lack of willingness to convey these basic forms of empathy to white males in the election (this doesn’t imply i consider them victims. I don’t.)
Another core disagreement.
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these things were conveyed to white males. Far more than any other group. I’m expected to vote democratic party despite a genocide of my brothers and sisters in faith…Dems literally adopted Trump’s white nativist policies to try and appeal to white males and {1}you’re justifying their lack of support while combatting mine…
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being stripped of your “humanity, feelings and fears” and having to face a total lack of empathy in the system, would be victimization. It’s just not something they face.
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What humanity? What humanity do the sons of settlers have? What matter are the feelings they’ve used to rule over all and sundry for practically all of recorded western history in some form or another? What “white men” fear sickens me, because all that cohort has EVER seemed to fear was not being on top. Crackers fear that we would treat them as they have treated us; and honestly at this point, it’d be warranted if we did.
That is ‘the quiet part you won’t say out loud’. That is what the cohort you currently bear the water of fears. That you want me to shed tears for that genuinely sickens me, you fuckin loser.
Do you believe in the universality of human rights?
I believe that power grows out of the barrel of a gun, and that if John Brown had shot more colonizing slaver bastards, we definitely wouldn’t be having this conversation right now.
Then we can agree on something, at least partially. Have a nice day and I’m sorry if I upset you.
I’m not a white male, friend.
Honestly I don’t believe that; but even that’s true, you’re still carrying their water; so you may as well be white.
We’re not fucking friends; and I don’t claim you as kinfolk. “Humanity of the settler”, get the actual fuck out.
Ermm… should i post pics of my unibrow? My post history is 90% spanish. My entry point is from a chilean server in which I actively participate… Why is this even relevant though?
The only water I’m carrying is the one that nurtures universal empathy. Maybe you should take a sip. It’s very healing.
Ok, non-friend. I’m sorry for attempting to extend consideration towards you.
war thing everyone gets so invested in yet no one does anything about beyond participating in thinly veiled socialization rituals and including symbols of support into their wardrobes and memes.
Maybe, but I don’t feel particularly invested in any war thing.
Polarization does get to me sometimes, but I feel like my contributions regarding that issue constitute legitimate efforts.
It’s still projection. You are incapable of caring about the genocide of millions, and so you assume that everyone else is too.
P.S.
What makes you think I’m incapable of caring or that i assume others are?
The democrats lost because they don’t completely align on some of my favourite issues, it has nothing to do with how people felt about the state of the economy or a lack of focus on certain demographics.
Very true; people should not be making decisions on silly inconsequential little things like a genocide.
Note the “completely align”, if you care about the conflict in Israel and the Gaza strip then the worst decision you could make is allowing Trump to win and give Netanyahu free reign to do whatever he wants.
Even if every single leftist voted for Kamala, she would still lose; there aren’t enough leftists in this country to restore that blue wall.
She lost because of the genocide and alienating her base while trying to become a diet republican.
Netanyahu is already doing whatever he wants and you’re doing apologetics for genocide. The current Biden administration is complicit in genocide and no amount of crystal ball gazing is gonna change that. Israel is currently doing everything they ever dreamed of doing. All the libs claiming Trump will get Israel to nuke Gaza are absolutely absurd. They’re no going to nuke land they want to steal and settle, are they?
I’m sick of this shit. The two Amerikkkan parties are identical on foreign policy
Oh they are are they? Better let the dude explicitly in favor of Israel’s approach win over the woman who wasn’t mean enough to Israel I guess. And fuck all the other points, we’ve got standards.
Man, idk if I’m mad or amused. You either don’t live in the US and your stance didn’t change anything, or you do and going by your pronouns you’re about to reap all the rewards.
smug liberal asshole fantasizes about me getting put in the trans camps because I recognize that both Amerikkkan parties are complicit in genocide. I don’t know where you’ve been, but Biden and Harris were shaking hands with Bibi just in July. The arms shipments haven’t ceased, no sanctions on Israel have been proposed, nothing is being done besides token efforts that fail on purpose.
“wasn’t mean enough to Israel I guess” Is it so much to ask that someone not complicit in genocide be the president? How about this, if the Democrats are so open and willing in their genocide of Palestinians, what hope does that hold for people like me? How can I trust any of you liberals? “Oh, we’ll bomb Palestinian women and children, but don’t worry you trans and gay folk, you’re fine.”
Yeah ok, except I remember the “first they came for the communists” poem and it’s certainly correct about both of our stupid bloodthirsty parties. I’m old enough to have protested against the Iraq War and I’ve personally watched how current Democrats have simply become the Republicans. Harris fucking accepted an endorsement from Dick Cheney, one of the most evil bastards who ever lived. Slaughtered a million plus Iraqis. And yet here you are concocting a situation where only one side will put me in camps or whatever because I recognize the simple reality that the Demokkkrats and Republikkkans are both explicitly genocidal against my Palestinian comrades
why are you people like this, you people never learn anything. Fuck off. The Dead Kennedys were right about everything.
So you recognize the danger you’re putting yourself in by insisting you’d rather have nothing than only a little? That’s what I’m getting out of this frothing mess of a comment.
I recognize that neither electoral party has anything to offer me, especially if both of them are complicit in genocide. Both sides have nothing. Both are equally dangerous. I’m not going to trust any promises that they make. Did I put it in civil enough terms for you, liberal?
This “frothing mess of a comment”? LOL, it was clear, coherent, consistent, well written, and it took you to task on how slimey and ignorant not to mention hypocritical you are, so you call it a “frothing mess.” I wonder who is really
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here.But no surprise the only thing you’re “getting out of it” isn’t something she even implied.
Someday we’ll throw every fascist like you into a big pit
Love how you settler sons of dogs drop the masks as soon as you feel you’ve been shown insufficient loyalty. I cannot wait for you to live in the Amerika I was born into, you smug cracker fuck. I want to watch you bleed.
Sorry to disappoint but I’m only gonna benefit from official Republican policies, so… thanks? I guess? Was just trying to help you non-wealthy non-crackers.
“Conflict”
Fuck you, disgusting genocidal lib
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it’s a genocide not a conflict. You are engaging in genocide denialism. Imagine someone calling the Holocaust a “conflict in Germany”…
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Netanyahu has already had free reign under Biden. Every single “red line” of Bidens was crossed by Netanyahu and later normalized by the Biden administration.
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Will this result make that better?
No, seriously. If that’s the biggest issue, to the exclusion of all others - does this event make it better, or worse?
harris’ words said that she was trying to help, but her actions say otherwise; so it’s the same result either way.
Okay great, so the problem was unavoidable, in this decision. It made no difference. Why the fuck should we have that problem, and also outright fascism?
i make no distinction between facist and facist-enablers. nevertheless, lemmy convinced me to find someone to vote swap with and i did in nevada.
the american people chose facism; so go ask them.
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When someone points out the genocide you’re doing, and your response is “go away, Russian.”, that’s how you know you’re just fully a nazi.
When someone suggests the best solution to a genocide is making it worse, I’m going to call that person names, yeah.
Cope and seethe genocidal piece of shit
I hope you cry all the crocodilian tears you couldn’t spare for the thousands of dead children
You should be made to eat literal pig shit until you choke on it
lack of focus on certain demographics
There was no “lack of focus” lmao. They focused very hard on telling every demographic that matters to go fuck themselves in different ways. Arabs were told genocide is good, Latinos were told immigration is bad, and black people were told that if they wanted to not be poor, they should buy crypto and start a business.
We need Genocide Joe to commit Genocide to win the election
Nobody should replace Skeletor Genocide Joe, he is the incumbent that is the bestest candidate
Actually Kamala needs to run without holding primaries. It is too late now!
Kamala must promise keep supporting Genocide, if she doesn’t she will lose
Kamala needs Liz Cheney to win over voters.
Actually the economy is bad so it does not matter what Democrats would have done
