• unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de
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    25 days ago

    Glad to see they arent going along with the bullshit of “all russians are evil and deserve to die” that is recently going around. The russian people is under dictator oppression and deserves just as much support as any other people in the same situation.

    • froh42@lemmy.world
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      24 days ago

      No, not all Russians are evil and deserve to die. But closing your eyes and playing oblivious to what’s happening out there, just believing the state propaganda and living in a position “oh it’s just the bad leader” is not a morally OK position.

      If there is a dictator in your country you have some moral duty to find out at least a bit about the truth.

      How do I know?

      I’m German.

      My grandparent’s generation was the one that actively closed their eyes, that actively looked away, that everything that happend was someone else’s problem. They were the Generation that arranged themselves, that did good business as long as it wasn’t them that were deported, killed or fought at in the war.

      This is not a position that is morally OK, but this is what I see of a lot of Russians. Not all, but a lot.

      • douglasg14b@lemmy.worldOP
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        24 days ago

        I like how you just conveniently ignore the part about a dictator oppression.

        The key word here is oppression.

        A country that is closing its eyes and deserves what they’re going to get is the US. In 20 or 30 years when the US is an authoritarian oppressive State then at that point the people don’t have a choice, just like they don’t in Russia today.

        Authoritarian oppressive states don’t just let the people think what they want to think. You are groomed and indoctrinated the moment you receive education until the day you die. The easiest way to control a populace is for the populace to not even know they’re being controlled.

        A key factor to that is limiting and restricting access to outside information. Which is what Russia does which is why the Tor project is so important

      • I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world
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        23 days ago

        Nope, on top of being a part of an evil regime, a large majority of Russians are very anti-LGBT. So yea, I’m still team “Fuck those assholes” considering most of them hate my existence and want me to die. Also, let’s not ignore that if you take away Putin, the whole country still has a culture that encourages deception and backstabbing to get what you want. So yea, they get no sympathy from me. May they freeze in their shit hovels.

      • Illecors@lemmy.cafe
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        25 days ago

        Only commenting on the orc part, but that’s what russians call themselves.

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      25 days ago

      Anecdotal, I have Russian friends (a couple and their kids).

      The dad is really apologetic for his country. He also laments not being able to go back to visit his parents, because his profession would likely be in very high demand by the military so he doesn’t want to risk getting pulled in for service (even though he’s in his 40s).

      The mom already went back once, with kids. She says that the population in general, in both Moscow and the countryside, seem really oblivious to what’s going on. There’s a huge disconnect and often even disbelief about what’s going on further west. Likely due to govt media propaganda only running special operations victory headlines. Also those that are able, but down on their luck and fortune, are happy to sign up with the military for (relatively) good pay, especially if their role is not something that makes them fight at the front line directly.