While Kara-Murza is one of the few somewhat humane members of the russian opposition (Ilya Yashin is a piece of shit and Navalniy and his thugs are racist, corrupt imperialists), like all of them he is completely delusional, refuses to recognize reality and keeps playing the victim.
He once again repeats the canard that it is impossible to measure public opinion in russia as an excuse for society’s broad support for the war. This is false, there are polling methods such as list experiments that account for preference falsification and they align with “regular” polls; a strong (if not overwhelming) majority of russians are genocidal imperialists.
But he also claims that somehow we should trust his statement that there are lots of people russia that are against the war because “hundreds of thousands” supported an allegedly anti-war candidate (what exactly is his “anti-war” position?).
He then goes on to say “reconciliation [between russians and Ukrainians] is possible” but a under different political regime. And how will this different regime come about? What are you doing to make it happen, Mr Kara-Murza?
I also don’t believe in reconciliation. My animosity towards all russian is permanent, but that’s just my personal opinion. Reconciliation would require that russians take ownership for their actions (it is their society that is responsible, it is not only putin that is a genocidal imperialist) and make a clear commitment to right the wrongs that they did (ending all russian occupation - not only in Ukraine, hundreds of thousands of russians prosecuted for war crimes and full financial compensation).
There is nothing to suggest this will happen. The russians have the capability to do this, there is nothing “inherent” about their genocidal imperialism. But they don’t want to do take ownership for their crimes.
Kara-Murza then goes on to claim that russia is on the precipice of change, without providing any specifics or explaining what the russian oppositions’ game plan is.
We then hear some typical russian victimhood narratives about how the west is to blame (ignoring that by early 90s russia was already engaged in imperialism in Moldova and Georgia).
Some more BS about how taking a sober attitude towards russia and recognizing that it is not only putin to blame is very wrong and “a gift to putin”.
The interviewer of course never challenges Kara-Murza in any substantive manner, as is typical with western media interviewing russian opposition.
Kara-Murza is the epitome of why the russian opposition is such a comical failure. Magical thinking, constant victimhood and zero desire to focus on the root cause of russian genocidal imperialism and authoritarianism.
The choice to condone the killing of 50 thousand Chechen civilians in the 90s (equivalent to 7 million russian civilians being killed) and to reject their right to self determination. This was done by both Yulia Navanlnay and Maria Pevchih.
The choice to elect a KGB goon in 2000
The choice to reelect the same goon in 2004 when he shut down all mass independent media
The choice to near universally support the invasion of Georgia in 2008
The choice to support the comical seat warming exercise with Medvedev
The choice to allow the KGB goon to become leader for life in 2012
The choice to near universally support the annexation of Crimea, the beginning of the invasion of Ukraine
The choice to near universally support the full scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022
You cannot make any progress or claim to want to change russia’s political environment if refuse to admit these facts.
Instead we get victim-hood polemics, bullshit about “the west is actually to blame” or “NATO made us do this!”, almost threat-like statements saying that discussing these facts will only make things worse and comical bullshit about russophpobia (a concept that does not exist, when you act as a lying, murderous, scoundrel, you should expect people to treat you like shit, if you don’t like this then change).
Do you have something to say or are you “just asking questions”?
I am just curious, do you speak russian? Have you ever lived there? Can you state 3 bullet points about key developments in russia in the decade of 1900 (or say 1920) without doing a web search?
I still don’t feel like I understand - you outline all these choices the people made, fine, but … what are you saying the reason for those choices is and why is Kara-Murza somehow problematic with regard to this (these?) reason(s)?
You don’t think it is problematic for Kara-Murza (and the russian opposition) to ignore these issues? Or are you saying they do address them? If yes, can you provide a source?
The reason for these choices is something you should ask the russians and Kara-Murza.
I still am not totally clear what you are saying. That Kara-Murza has to explain why Russians have done this before he could be a positive alternative?
While Kara-Murza is one of the few somewhat humane members of the russian opposition (Ilya Yashin is a piece of shit and Navalniy and his thugs are racist, corrupt imperialists), like all of them he is completely delusional, refuses to recognize reality and keeps playing the victim.
He once again repeats the canard that it is impossible to measure public opinion in russia as an excuse for society’s broad support for the war. This is false, there are polling methods such as list experiments that account for preference falsification and they align with “regular” polls; a strong (if not overwhelming) majority of russians are genocidal imperialists.
But he also claims that somehow we should trust his statement that there are lots of people russia that are against the war because “hundreds of thousands” supported an allegedly anti-war candidate (what exactly is his “anti-war” position?).
He then goes on to say “reconciliation [between russians and Ukrainians] is possible” but a under different political regime. And how will this different regime come about? What are you doing to make it happen, Mr Kara-Murza?
I also don’t believe in reconciliation. My animosity towards all russian is permanent, but that’s just my personal opinion. Reconciliation would require that russians take ownership for their actions (it is their society that is responsible, it is not only putin that is a genocidal imperialist) and make a clear commitment to right the wrongs that they did (ending all russian occupation - not only in Ukraine, hundreds of thousands of russians prosecuted for war crimes and full financial compensation).
There is nothing to suggest this will happen. The russians have the capability to do this, there is nothing “inherent” about their genocidal imperialism. But they don’t want to do take ownership for their crimes.
Kara-Murza then goes on to claim that russia is on the precipice of change, without providing any specifics or explaining what the russian oppositions’ game plan is.
We then hear some typical russian victimhood narratives about how the west is to blame (ignoring that by early 90s russia was already engaged in imperialism in Moldova and Georgia).
Some more BS about how taking a sober attitude towards russia and recognizing that it is not only putin to blame is very wrong and “a gift to putin”.
The interviewer of course never challenges Kara-Murza in any substantive manner, as is typical with western media interviewing russian opposition.
Kara-Murza is the epitome of why the russian opposition is such a comical failure. Magical thinking, constant victimhood and zero desire to focus on the root cause of russian genocidal imperialism and authoritarianism.
Uh … so what is the root cause you want to address?
Russian society; the choices russians make.
You cannot make any progress or claim to want to change russia’s political environment if refuse to admit these facts.
Instead we get victim-hood polemics, bullshit about “the west is actually to blame” or “NATO made us do this!”, almost threat-like statements saying that discussing these facts will only make things worse and comical bullshit about russophpobia (a concept that does not exist, when you act as a lying, murderous, scoundrel, you should expect people to treat you like shit, if you don’t like this then change).
Do you have something to say or are you “just asking questions”?
I am just curious, do you speak russian? Have you ever lived there? Can you state 3 bullet points about key developments in russia in the decade of 1900 (or say 1920) without doing a web search?
I am just asking questions. 🤷♂️
I still don’t feel like I understand - you outline all these choices the people made, fine, but … what are you saying the reason for those choices is and why is Kara-Murza somehow problematic with regard to this (these?) reason(s)?
You don’t think it is problematic for Kara-Murza (and the russian opposition) to ignore these issues? Or are you saying they do address them? If yes, can you provide a source?
The reason for these choices is something you should ask the russians and Kara-Murza.
I am not saying anything.
I still am not totally clear what you are saying. That Kara-Murza has to explain why Russians have done this before he could be a positive alternative?
I’ve been pretty clear in my statements.