Can we boycot the companies that do this already. I get the AC IP is nice, I’ve certainly enjoyed my fair share of their games.
But the ad industry is completely getting derailed. What’s next ? Watch a 15s promo video every time you want to open te fridge? Watch a promo video before you can open the door?
Have your walls randomly show you ads?
Stop buying their shit. Regardless of how decent the game is. Punish them for the predatory practices. Demand refunds.
But no. People will likely be outraged, and then next game angry and then the next game they’ll suck it all up and complain about the good all days.
#remindmein5years
I always thought the cyberpunk genre was a warning, not a blueprint.
Don’t Create the Torment Nexus etc etc
Wow! The torment nexus is so cool! I wanna live in the torment nexus! *creates torment nexus*
I can’t get into the genre, it’s too real to be fun
Stop buying their shit.
Way ahead of you.
Yeah, unfortunately, it is hard for me to hurt their bottom line because I checked out of the series after Origins.
That said, I’ve never sought a refund on a digital copy of a game, but I wouldn’t hesitate if I paid full price for a game only to find out there were in game ads
I got the package deal with all of them over the summer and loved origins 😅 been working my way through them all to get ready for the new one. I was thinking I’d go this route of getting it and returning if I saw ads, but based on comments about the company having rape apologists I might need to do some more research before even bothering to take that risk
I used to be quite close to this topic professionally.
My advice to those involved was consistently to focus on making in-game advertising appear ‘diegetic’ as opposed to the low hanging fruit of inserting it like a sore thumb.
Had Ubisoft scattered a number of graffiti or town criers in Odyssey’s cities talking about visiting a foreign land for less money the next few days only, where the art direction looked and felt perfectly at home in the world itself and interacting with the hooks alerted users to the promotion details, this would have been way less disgusting to players.
You didn’t have players revolting when Cyberpunk’s 2.0 update suddenly had characters talking about Dogtown which then hooked into trying to upsell the DLC. It fit the world and was something that could be ignored or engaged with as desired.
GTA: Online’s phone calls hooking into paid or new content are another example of doing it better (though their frequency is tuned really poorly).
The problem is most publishers don’t want to spend the extra time and money to fit ads into the worlds players are in. Which is dumb, as testing a really terrible UX that players will revolt on and press will cover negatively is going to shoot in the foot an initiative that would have gone much smoother with a bit of elbow grease and respect for the players.
Especially with the increase in in-game commerce I expect that we will see a spike in in-game advertising over the next few years, and with advances in generative AI that might even end up being tailored to the in game world as well much more often.
But the reactivity of the audience here means that the publishers who do a good job on limiting the degree to which moving in that direction abuses the playerbase are going to end up much better off than the ones that think dumb shit like a popup ad in the game UI during play is a good idea.
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There’s a blackmirror episode that touches on ads invading our lives like this
I’m pretty certain that I read a comment like this back in 2010 to 2012 on Reddit. Hell it may have been on Slashdot or Digg back in 2008.
As you’ve said, the only way to stop this is for everyone to stop feeding the beast. The problem is that F2P works now in 2023 as a business model, and clearly worked back in 2010 as DDO, and SW:TOR are still chugging along.
I don’t think it is feasible to end these predatory practices unless one can manage to get every single government in the world to outlaw them. Good luck on that.
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Well, for one I think we’ve played the sum total of what Assassin’s Creed has to offer, at this point. I haven’t seen Ubisoft bring anything much new or compelling to the table since… AC3? I think? I’ve been doing just fine without it for all these years.
IIRC there were some racing games that actually did show you real ads on billboards and pit walls and so forth, which were updated over the internet. Need For Speed: Carbon did this, I think. I’m certain there are already other similar examples, and you’ll probably find them in something published by EA.
I’m all for giving the finger to the megacorporate publishers who do this, though. I have got so many fuckin’ indie games in my Steam library still, many of which I haven’t played much or at all, a large portion of which are great, and all of which will give me something to do other than put up with what the predatory behavior du jour is (advertisements, subscriptions, lootboxes, battle passes, microtransactions, or whatever the fuck else).
Battlefield games also had billboards. Granted they were torn up, but they were advertisements. Tbh I’m okay with ads if they fit into the game.
Have a game with a TV? I’m okay with ads getting inserted into the fake-TV programming so long as they’re in the style of the game.
Have a game with billboards? Okay, but again, it needs to be in the style of the game.
I’m willing to forgive some level of advertising in games, especially if they’re from smaller studios, they just need to be non-intrusive and fit the style of the game. I’m more forgiving if you’ve put the work and effort into making the ad look and feel like it’s part of the world. An example is if GTA VI had radio ads that were self-depricating and/or self-parodies of the real-world companies advertising in-game.
How about the example of Transformers(2007) where GM very gently shoehorned their product into nearly every character.
This movie killed the movie theater for me, I felt like I paid to watch a commercial
Ironic, considering Transformers was literally made to sell Japanese toys.
There is no greater ad on the planet like the pißwasser commercial in gta4.
There is no greater ad on the planet like the pißwasser commercial in gta4.
The NHL games used to show ads on the boards too. Assuming they still do.
Haven’t bought an AC since the American revolution one, last thing I bought from them was watchdogs for $5 and it was dogshit so reinforced my no Ubishit rule
I have a hard unbreakable rule:
Free, you can serve me ads, I’ll try to avoid them but ok. But the minute I pay for something and you try to give me ads on top, we’re gonna have a problem.
Newspapers. You paid for it, and it still got ads.
I know, digital and printed ads are different.
Cable TV, same thing. This is just old media execs trying to “bring back the magic” or new media execs thinking that old media techniques will work
Apparently when cable first came to be, there were no ads
Probably the same case for newspapers, radio, the internet, movies in theatres, gas station pumps etc. Though each new medium we create has a shorter and shorter Time-To-Ad-Platform runway it seems
The first cable TV system in the U.S. was built in the late 1940s and had ads from day one since it was created to bring network television to communities with poor reception. Cable has always had ads.
Newspapers. You paid for it, and it still got ads.
I have never done this and I doubt I ever will.
I’m in my 40s. The last time I can remember buying a newspaper, was when I did it for my parents as a kid 🤷
My parents might have handed me some change to operate the box of newspapers outside the grocery store when I was three or four so I could try opening it. But I’m not even sure if I got to do that.
Newspapers are a long metro ride thing for me. Just never got the hang of smartphones, not in that way that is. Also the interaction is different, and I don’t mean the physical aspects but the way you browse through something with a) a finite amount of information and b) with very few (if any) links. A physical paper comes with an included progress bar. You know, sense of pride and accomplishment and all.
I’d love to buy and read newspaper. Really do. And I don’t even have to commute. But newspaper here are just trash. It’s all about which celebrity cheated who with whom, political propaganda, garbage about crime and some other things. Rarely anything interesting. So I just skip.
How old are you?
30
Same, and I have bought some before, for different reasons that I don’t even remember lol, but yeah, I wouldn’t buy one just to read it now lol.
I mean sure, but it’s also been literally a decade since I bought a newspaper.
I bought it for the coupons.
This is why Amazon Prime was an instant cancel.
If you still want to watch amazon video content, you can stream pretty much anything for free here: https://fmoviesz.to/
Just make sure you have Adnauseam or uBlock Origin installed.
I just started watching the 2nd season of Invincible :)
That’s cable TV in a nutshell. Pay to watch ads.
“Most agreed that promos about new games and other content are slightly more tolerable on the main menu before the game starts,”
If I see as much as a small banner ad in a game, I’m immediately refunding, and never purchasing a game from that publisher ever again.
I don’t mind a little ad in the menu, about stuff directly related to game I’m playing. Those little “Hey we released a new content dlc to this exact game” infos can actually be informative. What I really can’t stand is stuff breaking the immersion of the game. I’m not even mad about product placements, when they fit the theme and are sparsely used.
Yeah, product placements like for sports games are fine… I expect to see ads in a park, arena, or stadium.
it even adds to the authenticity in those games, perfect example of it done right. the problem is advertisers thinking their template applies to every medium without exception
But also the deciders in the dev studios, that take the money even if it doesn’t fit or don’t integrate it properly.
Baldur’s Gate 3 was probably the best game of this year (?), but it has an advert for the DLC as soon as you launch it
However, it’s also probably one of the least-bad “triple A” games of this year when it comes to overall monetisation, that singular DLC of cosmetics and the soundtrack being the only one available
Unfortunately, I think this one is a losing battle
I was going to ask where the ad was, but I forgot that I turned off the launcher specifically because of that. I have no idea about PS but you can add the following on PC to skip the lau8
--skip-launcherYeah, you absolutely can, but knowing to do that means that the advert has already delivered its message to you.
Futzing around with the launcher settings seems like more work than just clicking “no” on an advert that pops up.
You’re right, once. But adding that one time means I never have to see the launcher again. Clicking no means extra launch time and looking at it every time I launch the game.
But different strokes for different folks. If it’s not worth it to you then that’s cool. It was worth it for me and I thought I’d drop that for anyone else who may want it.
I have the same launcher settings set, so I mean I kind of agree? But you’ve seen the advert, and that’s basically all they want.
I just think it’s kind of weird how people react to things once they’ve filtered their thinking through the hivemind of the internet versus before.
Advertising dlc is ok in my opinion, it’s for the product you’re using and not everyone checks for new dlc
Sony didn’t have both versions readily available in the Playstation Store. While I did eventually purchase the DLC (which is the deluxe version, not a typical DLC), I’ll be damned that Sony didn’t make it easy to find the OG version in the store.
And I put that on Sony, not the game publisher. Regardless, BG3 has been a breath of fresh air to gaming this year. About time a studio put out a full game without divvying it up into expansions and DLCs.
I agree that BG3 is a great diversion from the usual. My point is kind of that if you’re a purist about this, you’re missing out on it, even though on the whole it bucks the trend.
I was looking forward to buying that game after upgrading my PC. This makes me sad. Divinity never had any ads. Maybe the pirated version gets rid of the ad.
I mean I guess Divinity never had ads unless you consider the launcher an advert for their other titles, given that that’s basically what it’s there to do?
If you don’t consider anything in launchers to be adverts then I guess you can play BG3, because that’s where the advert for the DLC lives?
I really feel like if Larian had only given you the soundtrack and not the cosmetics, and just not called it DLC, that people really wouldn’t be so up in arms about it.
Baldur’s Gate 3 has no dlc at all. It has no dlc even announced, let alone available for purchase. Stop making shit up lol. Their launcher has info about the different games they’ve made and their prices, but when you actually launch the game it has NO ad of any sort. You could only barely call the info in their launcher an ad in the first place.
kind of awkward that this both:
it’s absolutely coconuts that you’re currently attempting to die on the hill of a giant “buy now” button not being an advert
also, you do realise that the launcher is an advert? that’s its whole reason to exist. your take is essentially “you’re dumb because after you’ve clicked through the adverts, there aren’t any adverts”
I don’t mind in-game ads printed on in-map billboards and stuff, but ads that interrupt gameplay? Fuck that. Especially if you’ve paid for the content.
I don’t mind in-game ads printed on in-map billboards and stuff
Not ten years ago people were complaining about this very thing.
It’s fascinating to watch the boiling frog in basically real time. Give it another 10 years and ads that interrupt gameplay will be seen as normal too.
10 years later…
I don’t mind ads that interrupt gameplay, but i hate when they require you to smile at your webcam and say “i love corporation!” and give two thumbs up. Other than that, the gameplay is monotinous enough to help me forget who i am and that the world is burning.
I dont mind it when it makes sense… Like ad boards in fifa games make sense…
But if it breaka immersion, then it’s stupid
or drinking a can of Monster Energy to replenish your health in death stranding…
/s
That one may be my favorite product placement in a game. It’s so absurd it becomes ironically funny
This kind of thing is a real artform, and I love it.
Making something so bad it gets good again, because people then understand it’s intentional.
Same for some visual effects in movies, or character traits, whatever. If it’s too subtle, it might be seen as out of place, an oversight or a straight up error. But if you over-exaggerate it, then it suddenly works.
Reading this back, I now have no idea if I explained my thought process in a way that gets my point across.
Its a Kojima game, it fits in and just amplifies the subliminal surrealism present in his games.
The coin-op Pole Position in 1982 had a number of regional ads on billboards along the track, including Pepsi and Marlboro, which was the first instance of product placement in a video game.
In 2007 a number of games featured sponsored product placement. Rainbow Six: Vegas had billboards with Comcast adverts, and a Comcast company kiosk in a convention center. Far Cry 2 (humorously) had Jeep vehicles, including a couple of civilian SUVs that were significantly more cushy than the rest of the vehicles in the game. The implication being the choice of PMCs and African warlords was not the flex Jeep hoped for.
In the 2010s, companies started renting billboards on their game levels for advertising that would be regularly updated, including a couple of Ubisoft’s MMO-lite titles. I think The Division 2 was one of them in which, again it was product placement. The annoyance was more that these were always-online games in which users had to be connected to the server even when they were playing single player, and the downloaded adverts only contributed to the awareness this wasn’t for the advantage of the players involved.
These days, there are some pretty serious reasons not to play Ubisoft games, from their overuse and misuse of microtransactions, and piecemeal marketing, to the extremely toxic work environment that continues to be a norm in Ubisoft offices, including the sexual harassment and coercion of attractive clerks and developers by the executive staff, for which there there wasn’t adequate disclosure or contrition by Ubisoft public relations.
I gave up Ubisoft games after 2020, and don’t even play the Ubisoft games I own (which might at some point cost me access to them, since I do not routinely sign onto Uplay or whatever it’s called now.
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To be fair trackmania where ubisoft implemented that is free2play. And you can deactivate it when you bought their subscription, the only issue is that it’s not sutomaticly deactivated once you buy ir
I remember seeing ads for real products in Need for Speed: Carbon (2006) and Cities XL (2009). I never really had a problem with diegetic ads that made sense (like on billboards). Interrupting gameplay to serve ads is going over the line.
Am kind of torn on this. To some games, this adds level of realism. Racing games having brand names on billboards makes it feel more real. Folks at RockStar did awesome job with faking ads on radio, billboards, etc. But not every company has the resources to reinvent the whole world. Then again, seeing ads in some other type of game. No thanks.
Have you ever considered how much you lower your standards so people richer than you can be even richer at your expense?
Might want to stop doing that.
Always testing the line… This wasn’t a mistake. They know you’ll be upset, they are testing HOW upset and then they’ll make their decision.
If you’re “upset” but buy another Ubisoft game anyway, then you weren’t that upset --> Ubisoft will keep doing it.
(you as in generic you)
Ubisoft doesn’t give a shit. Never did. They are the ones who added booster packs after certain time in game so you can progress at a normal pace instead if you pay them extra. Am actually surprised someone reacted this time since usually they are fiendishly defended by dedicated fans.
They don’t give a shit but if everyone rejects their bulshit, like that NFT nonsense, they will back off (and try again later)
True. And it usually works or at least to a degree, otherwise they wouldn’t keep doing it.
And they will get away with it because nobody does what will really hurt Ubisoft, which is NOT buy the games. No. They will simply come on reddit or here and complain, and then throw their hands up and accept it when that fails to produce any results.
I am a little slow - what exactly I am looking at here¿? Many of them seem to be playing modern warfare 2
It’s a Steam Group for an MW2 boycott, you’re seeing the members of that group and what they’re playing.
And then theres the one dude playing fucking half life 2 deathmatch.
Haven’t bought a ubisoft game in 10 years and I have missed nothing
Ah, my hard line stance of “never buy anything ubisoft” is still working out for me.
Ubisoft, epic, ea, Blizzard/Activision…
I wont say Bethesda because I’m hoping for another Doom or Quake.
_EA is the fucking devil. They bought my favorite game, Ultima Online, and ruined it. _
That’s tragic and I feel your pain.
I’m glad that game had such a community surge of custom shards to keep it going, but it sure fractured the community. :(
What’s the problem with Epic Games, besides No Tux no Bux and anti cheat rootkits?
I mean those suck, but it has to be more than that right?
Delisting and shutting down the Unreal and Unreal Tournament games. General lootbox bs.
Owned in part by Tencent
The way that Bethesda has handled Doom has been nothing short of excellent. Hopefully they continue to support Id however they need it to keep on making great games.
I would a very happy person if most things in this World that reliably make one feel as “I’m doing the right thing” and frequently make one “Give oneself a pat on the back” required so little expense, time and effort as “never buy anything from Ubisoft”.
It’s like winning the “well done dude” lotery once every couple of months without spending a cent.
Something you’re paying for should be completely ad free, period.
I wish that’s how the world worked, unfortunately it’s not
The World worked that way, but people accepted the new ad contained products they paid for.
People even think it is fine to buy a product you don’t own
And people are making excuses for the forever inflating greed…
I mean, how do you accept inflating prices and costs while your salary has been stagnant for decades?
It just doesn’t make sense how costs, on individuals, are growing and growing.I don’t I just pay the same amount since I was born /s
And get less and less for the same payment :p
It would if everybody votes with their wallet.
They do. That’s the problem.
I like to compare that argument to climate change. If everyone voted with their wallet to not buy/do things which are bad for the environment we would stop climate change over night.
Now think about how impossible that is and then remember, that collective effort is just as difficult as stopping people buying things which contain ads
It does work like that. You vote with your dollars. If you buy these companies’ products, you confirm they made the right decision.
If enough people abandon their products, they change the model or die.
What you say you like and what your dollars say you like are 2 different things. The sooner people realize this the faster things will improve. But, if people are unwilling to avoid buying products from bad companies, things will get worse. Welcome to capitalism.
Unfortunately you’re not quite right with this one. As an individual, me choosing not to buy a new Samsung TV which has ads on the menu isn’t going to directly effect the sales and/or profit of the model to any measurable significant margin.
If the entire population was able to communicate as one hive mind and apply your utopian strategy it would work, but unfortunately its exceptionally difficult to convince that amount of people.
This is the exact same concept and difficulty behind battling climate change (not buying and doing things which hurt the environment)
Yes I agree capitalism is … Well… Capitalism 🤣
Unless it’s a billboard!
I pay for my phone and my phone and my internet access. What gives?
This, but unironically.
If I had the means to pirate my internet connection, I’d do it in a heart beat.
That’s why those who “jUsT pAy PReMiUm” are at fault. These companies are just pushing the line to see what sticks, and you’re perpetuating it by paying
Who says that? It’s not down to the people, you can’t control every individual as one hive mind. If you could climate change would stop overnight.
It’s corporate greed, ads will forever be interpolated into games and movies for the foreseeable future until it’s specifically outlawed to do so.
I’m sure given the opportunity as CEO the overwhelming majority of people on Lemmy would do the same for a bigger pay packet
i can’t wait for the day when we will need to watch ads or buy premium before we can use our cars
BMW already tried to charge $18 a month for heated seats.
Wait, so they failed to implement that? (Jeez i hope so)
Nope, my boss has an i4 that has this bullshit.
I have an audi a3 that has the hardware for adaptive cruise control but cant use it because of the same bullshit…Car market is fuuuucked
Edit : fyi, i wasnt aware of the problem when ordering it, and its a company car so i didnt pay for it
You still bought the car
Leased it, company car, so i havent paid a single euro for it. And i didnt know they would pull this shit off. I ordered it without adeptive cruise control and got this shit instead.
I would never buy an audi lol, but as a company car, meh.
Fuck cars, I want good public transit and walkable+bikeabke cities.
You mean rent premium (it’s a subscription of course)
That’s enough for me to never buy any of their games ever again.
Remember when they said that if we pay for the product, we dont get ads? :)
I also remember when they
artificiallydeliberately reduced XP gained after certain time in game so you either had to grind harder or buy booster packs. And they said it was adding value to the game because you get more playtime.This is such transparent bulshit excuse. Who wants their playtime to be more grind? But it’s probably why Assassins’ Creed even adopted XP systems at all.
If anything I want to go back to the days games had baked in cheats to become invincible and unlock everything so we can fuck around when we feel like it.
And yet franchise is thriving. AC was never my thing, especially because of boring fetch quests and collect-a-thons. WoW also had bunch of annoying quests like that, but at least the world building was awesome and lore was plentiful to enjoy the game.
I like the franchise because I’m into history. I was really looking forward to Mirage after the grindfests that were Origins, Odyssey and Valhalla, but news like this make me consider not even waiting until Mirage is 50% off at some point.
You don’t need to say “artificially” here because the whole game is made by humans.
Deliberately or maliciously is more like it.
True true.
Sometimes you don’t even get the product if you pay for the product. AC: Odyssey will be in my Steam library forever unplayable because I had to delete my Ubisoft account for being hacked into and their support team absolutely refused to let me associate the game I purchased and thought I owned to a new Ubisoft account.
Fuck those guys. I will never pay money for their games ever again.
Still playing Ubishit games
Lol
They should be enraged about the rape apologists who are in charge of the company. But consumers forget fast when the shiny new thing is out.
I would even say most never cared in the first place. They want their toys and they don’t care where it comes from.
Wasn’t that Blizzard/Riot?
It was all 3.
Lo and behold, gaming men are typically shit. Probably has something to do with their stunted growth.
[Everyone] enraged at [any company] for injecting ads into the middle of [everything]
I wish
The some way people are getting all “just buy Premium” at YouTube’s ever increasing amount of ads is getting so annoying.
When they inevitably introduce Premium Plus and put ads in paid users’ content, you know, like many streaming services are doing now, maybe they will realize that there is no reasonable deal that sates these corporations.
If you bought a game you shouldn’t have adverts. You’re watching YouTube for free, very different things.
Did you miss the part that paying subscriptions now provides less and less guarantee of remaining ad free? Don’t take for granted that paying will keep that from you.
If it was about being fair, they would be fine with just keeping a moderate amount of ads. I didn’t start blocking until they started to push multiple pre-roll ads and then several more every 10 minutes. Time does not suffer inflation, much on the contrary. If they try to take more and more of our time as payment, that’s proof of their greed and disregard towards their users.
Did you miss the part that paying subscriptions now provides less and less guarantee of remaining ad free?
Speaking of YouTube, I still don’t get any ads on my premium.
Did you miss the part that paying subscriptions now provides less and less guarantee of remaining ad free?
Speaking of YouTube, I still don’t get any ads on my premium.
disgusting. it doesn’t surprise me. publishers are continously testing how much their customers can bend over.
