I don’t feel bad for the guy, but I don’t celebrate this sort of vigilante justice, either. Prisoners should be safe from other prisoners. Prison is not meant to be torture, and recidivism is a massive problem in the United States. Chauvin will have 20 years to contemplate his crimes, and treating him and every other prisoner will only reinforce their criminal proclivities.
American prisons ARE meant for torture. Don’t get it twisted.
If they were for rehabilitation or treatment, then we would see to that, societally. But we don’t.
This is a small piece of why our justice system is so absolutely fucked.
American prisons ARE meant for torture. Don’t get it twisted.
naw. not really. Prisons are meant to provide cheap domestic labor to the corporations running them. it’s all profits.
Well both those things can be true.
Never forget, it’s actually legal to enslave prisoners according to the 13th Amendment.
yup. And there is a reason why laws are written to disproportionately affect certain groups- like how crack cocaine gets more jail time than powder, or marijuana convictions…
That’s a part of it, yes. It’s the slavery loophole on the 13th amendment.
Less of a loophole, more of an intended feature
Loopholes are things intentionally built into structures with the purpose of allowing something through. I find it weird so many people think loopholes aren’t something intentional.
The torture is just a fringe benefit in the cops’ eyes.
FWIW the vast majority of prisons in the US are not corporate run (>90%), but those majority government-run prisons still provide a lot of free/cheap manufacturing labor to private companies.
The government itself is to blame, not just private prisons.
Cheap domestic labor isn’t torture?
Spoke with an AIC “worker” this summer about the slave labor he was doing, he said it was better than being inside. Not at all defending the program but it was interesting to hear his perspective. Also don’t mean to sound glib, phone typing isn’t my favorite.
lesser of two evils
i think you’re responding to a normative statement by making a descriptive statement.
for those unaware, here’s a quick explanation from wikipedia: a normative statement is “meant to talk about the world as it should be”, while a descriptive statement is “meant to describe the world as it is”.
the most niche grammar nazi
If we could read we would be very upset.
Lemmy cannot read one word of your comment
So much this man. Guy was an asshole, but he and everyone else should be safe in prison.
Let’s start with making everyone else safe, then.
No disagreements here.
Very glad this is currently the top comment. I was worried I’d run into a comment thread cheering for violence that simply shouldn’t have happened.
The idea of “not killing” and “I wish he was dead” can’t seem live in most people’s head. I think he’s human waste, he should be dead, and I wouldn’t have lamented his death. BUT!!! I don’t want him to die and I don’t want someone to kill him.
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Yeah dude is a piece of shit, but it’s a bit disheartening seeing people cheer on stuff like this.
but I don’t celebrate this sort of vigilante justice, either
We don’t know what happened. He might have ran his mouth and found out he wasn’t a protected class anymore.
That doesn’t really change anything.
It does a little bit, I think.
Yes, our prisons should be safe for those who are confined within them. I agree with that, and that less people should be confined in the first place.
But there is a qualitative difference between “he was stabbed due to being a cop (or due to being THAT cop)” vs “He got into an altercation that resulted in him being stabbed, but which could have happened to anyone.”
I think the kneejerk assumption is that he was targeted, which is worse IMO.
Not that I shed a single tear for the fate of Derek Chauvin, mind you.
I don’t think it’s possible to keep humans from harming each other if they want to
That is literally the point of prisons.
Doesn’t that prove his fuckin point? Even in something as locked down and controlled as fucking prison can’t stop humans if they truly want to harm others
You think prisons are locked down and controlled? Prisons are for-profit labor generators where slaves are treated like, well, slaves. Society accepts this because we act like they deserve subhuman treatment. We should not accept this.
to be fair, the united states doesnt care about the humans it pretends to ‘rehabilitate’. we dont care about recidivism, because our system is for punishment not for rehab.
other countries do a better job at fixing their humans than we do. can we start there?
I was just making the joke initially, a contrasting oversimplification.
But just because they don’t stop all violence, it doesn’t mean they don’t stop any violence. Prisons literally do keep murderers locked up instead of out harming others in the public. Are they flawless systems? Fuck no. There’s all kinds of shit wrong with the systems. But they definitely beat the alternative of having no prisons.
In theory, yes, but that should be the point of education and social programs tbh. Even then, restorative justice models don’t rely as heavily on jail/prison. Temporary and maybe permanent removal from a specific environment doesn’t have to require fully sequestering perpetrators from society. Caught early enough, extreme examples of violent individuals can be rehabilitated through house arrest and other programs like anger management, therapy, etc. Saves taxpayer money, reduces recidivism, and victims report much higher satisfaction as they can actually face their perpetrator and be more involved in the process seeking accountability.
In practice, prisons prop up class and racial segregation, perpetuating capitalist agendas.
And you should look into improvised weapons they confiscate from prisoners.
Human creativity gets maxed out when you literally have nothing to do but sit in a cell all day for years. Just because someone is a criminal doesn’t mean they are completely stupid.
I have often wondered how many actual geniuses have been chewed up by the worlds prison systems. If only some of those people had gotten a fair chance in their life to have their skills developed in a healthy environment… It’s depressing to think about, actually.
I’m sorely tempted to start circulating claims about what Chauvin had in his system at the time.
EDIT - Also, this shit:
Chauvin’s stabbing comes as the federal Bureau of Prisons has faced increased scrutiny in recent years following wealthy financier Jeffrey Epstein’s jail suicide in 2019. It’s another example of the agency’s inability to keep even its highest profile prisoners safe after Nassar’s stabbing and “Unabomber” Ted Kaczynski’s suicide at a federal medical center in June.
Oh it’s a problem all of a sudden. Can’t imagine why.
I’m sorely tempted to start circulating claims about what Chauvin had in his system at the time.
A shiv
Oh you…
A shiv in the form of a sharpened toothbrush
I’m sorely tempted to start circulating claims about what Chauvin had in his system at the time.
Are we certain the wound was caused by a stabbing and not “Incarceration Delirium”? Or maybe it’s a holy miracle stigmata!
Those poor widdle white boys can’t take it!
But who gives a shit if we do it to minorities? Nobody, apparently.
Weird thing to say.
He should have just complied.
Murderer. The proper way to refer to him, mainstream news, is “the murderer Derek Chauvin”. He was convicted of murdering George Floyd.
I don’t know, I like reminding everyone that he was a police officer when this sort of thing comes up.
How about " Convicted Murderer and disgraced police officer Derek Chauvin", that should keep most of us happy.
Disgraced police officer is redundant.
Nah that just drives home how much of a disgrace he is.
Disgraced police officer is redundant.
I’m loving the irony of this being accidentally double posted XD
I hope they leave them both up.
Maybe Chauvin stabbed himself in a state of “excited delirium.”
The important thing is, the inmate investigated himself and decided that he did nothing wrong.
I feel this whole case is everything wrong with the justice system (aside from him actually facing consequences). A corrupt cop with a history of violence gets attacked in an overpopulated and understaffed prison where folks are punished instead of rehabilitated.
Right, none of these things should have happened at all. It’s just a negative feedback loop of incompetence and corruption.
This person spent a career throwing people into this exact system. Eagerly, if my perception of his past behavior after watching his entire trial is at all representative.
System works as designed.
I’d rather they were punished and rehabilitated. Both are necessary.
I’m of the opinion that, while the premise is agreeable it simply isn’t possible to rehabilitate police officers.
If someone can be rehabilitated, I believe that implies that they can be unhabilitated. It kinda implies that people aren’t inherently bad / don’t do bad things without something causing them to. If your dog shits inside because you forgot to take it out, do you punish it? If so, congratulations on being consistent, -ly an asshole.
I’m sure he would have been fine if he just complied.
He was injured in an inmate-involved stabbing
While I don’t particularly rejoice at the idea of anyone getting stabbed, I also can’t possibly shed a tear for this guy.
I think it’s safe to enjoy this particular pig getting stuck
In November 2022, an inmate at the facility’s low-security prison camp pulled out a gun and attempted to shoot a visitor in the head. The weapon, which the inmate shouldn’t have had …
Well, that seems a bit obvious.
Just to take a jab at the US from a European perspective…
You don’t have the right to bear arms in prison? I thought guns were sacred in the US!?
Careful, I’m sure there’s some asswipe from where I grew up who wants to throw a bunch of guns in and walk away to let them “sort it out” or some shit. If you go redneck enough reality begins to satirize satire.
We’re probably like 3 or 4 main timeline events away from this becoming a legitimate state policy - and it’s not much longer before it is made into a reality TV show for public entertainment.
The Running Man theme intensifies
Yeah, nothing in the second amendment says they shouldn’t have guns.
Nothing in the second amendment says who should have guns at all unless you interpret it as saying only a militia should have them. That’s a big part of the problem.
You should read the text of our 13th amendment.
Lmao :)
While it’s easy to not sympathize with a person like that, no inmates should be getting stabbed in prison. It’s still wrong. And still a symptom of the bad justice system in the US.
Well now he has felt the fear of death from the violence of another person too.
Probably shouldnt have murdered Floyd
over 20 bucks.Wow, I’m soooo surprised an ex-officer got stabbed in prison. Who could’ve seen this coming?
I hope he was stabbed somewhere where he found out what it was like to not be able to breathe.
I heard he had drugs in his system at the time which justifies the stabbing for some reason
Not a single person could have seen this coming
Maybe the guy who stabbed him?
