Forced labor farms for those deemed mentally unfit for society. That’s his solution. Fuck that, fuck him, and fuck the fascist slavery fetish.
Wait? Did he really say that?
Yes.
Yes, he’s been pushing that for a while
“I’ve seen this beautiful model that they have in Italy called San Patrignano, where there are 2,000 kids who work on a large farm in a healing center … and that’s what we need to build here,” Kennedy said during a town hall-style appearance on the cable channel NewsNation last year.
According to Kennedy’s plan, outlined in interviews and social media posts, Americans experiencing addiction would go to San Patrignano-style camps voluntarily, or they could be pressured or coerced into accepting care, with a threat of incarceration for those who refuse care.
But the San Patrignano program has been controversial and was featured in a 2020 Netflix documentary that included images of people with addiction allegedly being held in shackles or confined in cages. The farm’s current leaders have described the documentary as biased and unfair
Jesus Fucking Christ
The farm’s current leaders are the fucking mafia.
Creating an environment of corruption, chaos, hate and suffering. Hurting the majority of people economically, and ripping away hope for the future. Cutting programs that safeguard people, and specifically targeting their access to healthcare. And taking away the medications that help people deal with mental illness.
Sounds like a recipe for causing people to become desperate and decide they have nothing to lose.
These people never learned why and how Caucescu got what he got. Can’t wait for them to learn first hand!
Putin’s nightmare about Gaddafi. Benito Mussolini displayed in the street. Ceaușescu’s last moment on video.
Team Luigi needs more branding.
Ding ding ding! Make no mistake about it… the penultimate goal of the first six months of project 2025 is the suspension of habeus corpus and the deployment of US Military as civilian police. They need a riot to justify that last power grab. When you understand that fact, you can see the common thread in all of the random cruelty out of the gate. It’s not called project 2026.
Also the the goals of accelerationism, though it claims that such is a precursor to revolution and utopia.
RFK is one of those assholes who was depressed, changed his diet and worked out, and that was enough. And he thinks that solution works for everyone. And now he has power.
Fuck anyone that takes my SSRIs away from me. That would actually make me leave the country.
“Well, have you tried not being sad?”
- my parents
Being rich also doesn’t hurt
His brain was eaten by worm, isn’t that how his depression got cured?
The only thing that worked out for him was being rich. Everything else is just an excuse/wishful thinking at best and a lie to be used to manipulate others at worst.
This is a very valid point.
Eating healthy, exercising regularly, time to relax and meditate etc. are luxuries not easily available to the poor. But a $1 pill is.
I hate to say it, but you probably can’t. People with diagnosed mental illnesses are often banned by other countries from immigrating.
I have EU citizenship.
Then good luck and I hope you make it out soon!
Still got meds. So fighting the good fight right now.
If you have the means, please gtfo while you can and let em burn.
Is that really true?
It’s pretty tough to migrate to Australia for example and I don’t think this is really a relevant question.
You have to be mad to want to live somewhere where everything is trying to kill you.
That’s just a dumb meme, nothing has been successfully able to kill me yet.
In all seriousness though, Australia is a popular destination for migrants.
It was a jokey comment. I steered away from mad max and insulting actual Australians.
RFK is one of those assholes who was depressed, changed his diet and worked out, and that was enough. And he thinks that solution works for everyone. And now he has power.
Can’t say about enough, but for me too antidepressants were not very effective (and also with some emotional downsides, I eagerly believe stats about ADs and suicide rates), and physical exercise plus simpler and healthier food (basically minimize sugar) did help me more. However, there might be a reversal here - maybe changes in weather and life events caused slight improvement in my mood first, and then came exercise and healthier food.
In any case this is considered very light depression.
Suppose depression and anxiety can take a variety of different forms, arise from a variety of different causes, manifest in a variety of ways, and respond differently to a variety of treatments.
In your case your particular malady didn’t respond to medication but did respond to other treatments.
It sounds like you can readily acknowledge that not everyone is experiencing the same illness and that often diet / exercise / lifestyle just isn’t relevant.
The problem @simplejack@lemmy.world is referring to is when people who successfully treat their illness with diet and exercise assume that everyone elses illness will respond in the same way.
Jesus there is another solution don’t walk away from your home this is your cross to bear.
there is another solution
What’s your solution to being suicidal even after trying all of the non-pharma solutions for decades?
Walk on water, water into wine, so obvious water into blood. We need to extract the brain worm with an industrial waterjet cutter! Blessed by a native natural shaman of course to ward off the scientist’s curse.
this is your cross to bear
The fuck it is. I didn’t vote for Trump and I sure as shit didn’t sign off on Elon Musk’s god damned meddling.
Buddy you missed the guys comment I was replying to was named Jesus.
“simplejack” = “Jesus”? I’m not seeing it.
When the options are “I don’t get the drugs that will stop me from killing myself” or “find a country that will give them to me,” I think there’s a pretty clear choice.
Are those the only two options? What if you did your ancestors proud and dumped tea in the harbor. I mean if you save your country you violate no law. Not a very creative problem solver, unusual for a squid.
Yes, if you will commit suicide if you don’t have the drugs you need, those are your only options if you want to stay alive.
Are you one of those “smile more” people?
Also, maybe don’t do your racist ancestors who tried to blame their protest on indigenous Americans proud? What with that being super fucking racist? You do know that’s what happened, right? They dressed up like indigenous people and then dumped the tea in the harbor.
Kennedy said he planned to dedicate money generated from a sales tax on cannabis products to “creating wellness farms—drug rehabilitation farms, in rural areas all over this country.” He added, “I’m going to create these wellness farms where they can go to get off of illegal drugs, off of opiates, but also illegal drugs, other psychiatric drugs, if they want to, to get off of SSRIs, to get off of benzos, to get off of Adderall, and to spend time as much time as they need—three or four years if they need it—to learn to get reparented, to reconnect with communities.” The farm residents would grow their own organic food because, he suggested, many of their underlying problems could be “food-related.”
Hol up. They’ve gotten rid of all the people who used to pick fruit in rural areas, and now they want to send arbitrarily diagnosed “addicts” to these rural areas to live for “free”.
Not only will they live for free, but their work will truly set them free.
Arbeit macht frei.
We could even put that over the entrance to their camp to encourage them.
Slaves, they want to make us slaves
Well sad slaves… seems odd to get rid of antidepressants during such times.
Move over re-education camps, it’s time for “re-parenting farms”.
Yeah what the fuck is that about.
It’s only sinister if they are not voluntary.
Anyone with a pulse finds this sinister as fuck because it’s obvious that no one would voluntarily participate in something like this.
I could see someone who is addicted to hard drugs finding success with a program like this, and the phrase “if they want to” implies that going to one of these is voluntary and not compulsory, but the real question is once they are there, can they check themselves out at any time if they feel like the program isn’t working for them? Or did the government just trap them in a taxpayer funded insane asylum for the rest of their lives because they now won’t give them any psychiatric medication to help treat the antisocial symptoms?
Of all the RFK stuff I’ve heard about, this one seems like it would be his best idea and one that most liberals could get behind if it weren’t for his regressive views on psychiatric care. Getting people off drugs and back onto their feet should be a worthwhile societal goal. Getting people off of SSRIs and Adderall and other psych meds seems like it would be counterproductive.
Sorry mate this is just bonkers.
Do you really believe RFK has just solved drug abuse?
Why not ask people who have been working in rehab centres for decades what is needed to mitigate this complex problem.
Where exactly in my post did I say this solves the problem?
People voluntarily go to rehab centers all the time. Court-ordered rehab is often offered as an alternative or complement to jail time.
Voluntary rehab centers don’t rent you out to factory farms as manual laborers during harvest season.
True. If you are being rented out then you are not volunteering. If there are daily quotas and
guardssupervisors then you are not volunteering.But people do volunteer for rehab. It really depends where on the wellness retreat <—> concentration camp line these things fall.
The idea that you can’t just step down off an SSRI as if it’s a heroin addiction is fucking ludicrous.
The thing is it’s so easy to verify that they’re not addictive.
Virtually every bullshit medical claim RFK Jr. makes can easily be verified to be bullshit.
And he just outright lies all the time too. I heard a radio interview with him where he claimed he had hundreds of clients with golf ball-sized tumors behind their ears from using cell phones. You know how you see all those people walking around with golf ball-sized tumors behind their ears?
Thats not even how tumors work!
It depends on how you define addiction.
They create physical withdrawal. But they’re not habit-forming as they have no direct action on dopamine.
So… as physically addictive as coffee and less psychologically addictive than television.
Anyway, they’re easy to get off of if you switch to one with a long half life (prozac) and taper from there. Easier to give up than caffeine. Or TV.
I think any definition of “addiction” that includes SSRIs is so vague and general that it’s unhelpful.
There aren’t many things that people do that wouldn’t cause a measurable withdrawal if discontinued.
After six months of drinking raw milk they’se gonna be about 50% fewer
patientsslaves for them to “rehabilitate.”It’s not a forced labour prison, it’s a camp, where addicts are concentrated together to work. What’s the problem? /s
They will even provide a free education in agricultural harvest. What lucky souls!
I believe they’d have to reschedule cannabis federally to tax it.
Good?
It is, it’s also unlikely.
I didn’t see “free” mentioned anywhere.
My guess is that these “wellness farms” will be just as costly to patients as traditional rehab programs, but at the same time the patients will be expected to do physical labor on the farms.
They’ll literally be paying to work there. Isn’t that the ultimate end-stage capitalist dream?
At least he said “if they want to” for psychiatric drugs
Oh well in that case I’m sure it will be fine /s
That’s a pretty good concept actually. I doubt it’ll be good in practice done by a guy who doesn’t know what a vaccine does
Maybe get concerned when government officials start talking about putting people on farms?
I am concerned. I like the idea of voluntary isolation to reduce access to their addiction while promoting the ability to function again in society.
I know damn well that wouldn’t be how it’s used in practice, so I’m concerned with it.
Antidepressants are what give people the ability to function.
That’s what you are calling a pretty good concept.
I’m commenting towards the rest.
Considering this was all you said, maybe you should have made it clear you weren’t referring to people on prescribed psychiatric medication:
That’s a pretty good concept actually. I doubt it’ll be good in practice done by a guy who doesn’t know what a vaccine does
Since, you know, it sure sounds like you think putting people on farms for doing something about their depression is a good concept.
I missed the depression drugs part on my first read through.
It sounds like slavery to me.
If they want to
Obviously with this man is in charge it would be. However, the stated idea is not
They’re not just going to announce work camps for slaves are they.
Even if we’re talking about illicit drugs, sending users to work camps is not a cure, it’s just taking advantage of them.
…I think you’re not reading what I said…
They’re not just going to announce work camps for slaves are they.
Yes I EXPLICITLY STATED IN MY COMMENT I AGREE THEY WOULD DO THAT.
Not sure if you’re trying to be sarcastic but I’m having a hard time understanding your comments sorry.
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The worms have won. Pretty soon we will all have worms injected into our head.
It’s the Illithid invasion.
For the Absolute!
Goa’uld
Teal’c, I’ve got a question for you. What the hell does “kree” mean anyway.
You know, people off their meds don’t make good choices…
I mean…the trump dictatorship are most likely all on drugs to begin with.
Or, alternatively, not on drugs when they should be.
So I’m hearing you say this could be a self-solving problem?
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I could save them a lot of time and energy, here’s all the solutions to things they’re “studying”.
- Highly processed foods and lack of varied diets.
- Extremely high healthcare costs that make treatment/cures unreachable.
- General distrust of medical professionals due to online guidance being actively harmful for most people.
- Long commutes and general shift to online/office work has lead to greater rates of inactivity.
- Lack of in person community leads to isolation and mental health issues.
- High costs of living, being told your neighbors are your enemies, disinformation in the news making it hard to be informed or knowledgeable, and constant threats to people’s lives leading to mental health issues.
- People taking ivermectin like it’s Elon musk doing ketamine.
Agreed on all of it but the WFH point. WFH has helped a ton of people. It’s also a net benefit for the environment, human health, financial relief and mental health. Anyone telling you they work better in a office with a 2 hour daily commute in traffic is either middle management or C level. No one wants that shit.
I work out a lot more and eat healthier when I’m WFH. Doesn’t come close.
I read the comment as saying return to the office was leading to sedentary behaviors - which I would believe. My commute is 45 minutes each way in ideal traffic - that’s an additional hour and a half of just sitting for days I have to go into the office compared to my work from home days.
Ah, I was understanding it as it was causing people to be isolated vs being in the office.
Work isn’t great community, WFH + in person local activities is much better.
As long as those local activities are not related to work or co-workers.
WFH has helped a ton of people.
Could not agree more. Most especially if you have toxic management.
It’s so much worse with those kind of people in-person. With remote work you can at least not bump into them in the bathroom/kitchen/hallway, etc., you don’t have the time-and-morale-killing “pop-in”, you can leave your camera off, turn off incoming video, skip non-essential meetings, etc…it really lowers the impact of having to work with someone you don’t like very much and is part of management…
Yep couldn’t agree more.
This.
I hope to god everyone on antidepressants isn’t about to go through what people with ADHD have been going through for medication access. Ridiculous hoops to jump through, short term prescriptions, doctors treating you like a criminal, and medication shortages have made life miserable for so many people.
You mean it’s like this in the USA? I’ll admit I thought it’s some heaven for ADHD people over the ocean with everyone getting amphetamines
Lol… No.
Its almost impossible to get an adult diagnosis, it only changed during covid when they bent the rules and allowed telehealth appointments.
Then once your on it, for like the last 5, maybe more years there has been shortages on amphetamine salts and methylphenidate. One gets a shortage, then quickly it’s the next in a cycle.
To say nothing of those doctors who require monthly check-in visits just to get your prescription renewed. Had a doctor do this, eventually got notice several of my insurance claims were denied because she had been trying to charge even more than the maximum amount for a single visit (something like $250ish at the time) for me to stop in for 10 minutes and her to say, “Everything going okay?” “Yep.” Over and over and over. And if you miss one (surely not, with ADHD)? Well, fuck you, no medicine for you until you get that sorted out.
Your GP is supposed to be able to write a script for Adderall, but mine refused until I went through their hospitals mental health service to “confirm” the diagnosis I got from a famous medical facility (UCSF), which was a 3 month minimum wait to talk to the person who could then write the recommendation to see the person who can diagnose me and give me a 1 week script (another 2 month wait after the first appointment, so 5 total now), then my GP could write me my full-month amount
Oh, I’d been taking them on my old diagnosis for a fucking year and a half by that point, so it’s not like I was some recent diagnosis who was trying to doctor shop, I had a record of this shit
Oh, and trying to regularly pick my meds up from 2 different locations of the same chain pharmacy caused issues, even though it was because I travelled for work and could easily produce documents and statements from my company CEO to back me up
every pharmacy within 75 miles of my house responded to me trying to figure out of they could take me on as a new patient with active hostility, 4 hung up on me without an answer, and one said “no, fuck off you junkie”
I… I can go on, sadly, those are just my personal ones
O-OK, just so you knew, here in Russia ADHD is famous among clueless normies for being “that fake diagnosis invented by murrikan big pharma to put everyone on amphetamines”, and a lot of those clueless normies happen to be doctors. And that’s how it looks from the outside, I’ve never tried to get a diagnosis for ADHD. So - at least you can get real medicine. In theory.
And anti-psychotic medication too.
Does he want a bunch of undiagnosed schizophrenic people coming after him and his fellow maga stooges? Because this is how he gets a bunch of undiagnosed schizophrenic people coming after him.
According to the article RFK wants to find the “root causes” of a broad range of conditions, including autism, ADHD, asthma, obesity, multiple sclerosis, and psoriasis. Sure thing, while the his fellow fucking MAGAts shut down and destroy US medical research and increase deregulations pertaining to the food industry and pollution.
Republicans finding the major contributors to those conditions is going to be like that scroll of truth comic. They’ll only care if it turns out that the root cause is gay people existing or people being in unions or something (spoiler alert: it isn’t, but that won’t stop them).
Don’t worry the root cause is going to be vaccines. No need for science when you already have the answer.
“When government researchers follow Kennedy’s orders to study SSRIs, they’ll find reams of research, including long-term studies, that have found that the drugs are safe and non-addictive.“
Then they will ignore science and do whatever the administration tells them to or they get fired and replaced with someone who will.
They disparagingly refer to it as “the cult of ‘science’” so that’s a foregone conclusion. Complex issues as interpreted by people whose only ideology is “fuck all that pansy ass shit, man up!!!”
Then the goal posts will be moved. That’s how this denialist stuff works.
Reams of research didn’t stop him from continuing to push all his bullshit about autism.
I will pry my SSRIs from your cold, dead hands.
Go ahead and take mine away. See what happens. I dare you.
Were you clearly diagnosed with clinical depression?
Or did your doctor not know what was wrong, said it was stress related and gave you pills to go away?
This is a really shitty attempt at a gotcha question, just so you know. I have depression, any neurologist with an MRI of my brain can tell you that, because there’s a softball sized cyst and the structural placement of it makes depression highly likely, it’s too big to be removed all the empty space would lead to shifting, brain bleeds, embolism, seizures, and strokes which would kill me really quickly. So shunt and valve and medication is my only treatment option. Anti depressants aren’t just for people who are having a bad week and don’t know how to cope, or people behind on their self care, or people who are facing a life challenge and just need a little pick me up. Anti depressants are being taken largely by people who go to their doctor and say ‘‘I’m so depressed I no longer enjoy the things I used to love doing, I’m struggling to remember what happy feels like, and I can’t stop contemplating the end of my life’’ it’s for people with clear diagnosable depression. Please stop acting like you have any room to jump up people’s ass about the maintenance meds they’ve been taking for years that get them results when nothing else did. Do you think a jog a day is the solution? It’s not at all. If that was the solution, this wouldn’t ever be a medical problem in the first place, easy solutions don’t require medical intervention. If you really think the average person on antidepressants didn’t spend YEARS trying to solve it without any medical aid, your delusional.
There is a fundamental misunderstanding that most folks have when it comes to anti-depressants. A lot of people think that you take prozac and it makes you feel “happy” or at least “better”. But the reality of it for me is, I take prozac, and stops my emotions from spiralling out of control.
My neurology is like an elderly person on an icy day, it has a tendency to slip and fall over. Anti-depressants are just a walker for my brain, gives me a good chance to not fall over and break a hip.
You didn’t have to go that hard. You could have said “are you a doctor? ARE YOU MY DOCTORS? no? Then would you kindly stfu?”
Really they should have known better then to pick a gotcha out of an unknown situation
I have depression
OK, so you are in the first category
Please stop acting like you have any room to jump up people’s ass about the maintenance meds they’ve been taking for years that get them results when nothing else did.
I’m not. My beef is with the doctors who prescribe antidepressants without proper investigation of the causes of the symptoms.
Do you think a jog a day is the solution?
There will be some cases where this is true. But a jog a day is much more effort than having a pill. Particularly if you are out of shape. A pill is much easier for a doctor to prescribe.
easy solutions don’t require medical intervention.
Unfortunately paying customers want a medical solution. So they get prescribed a pharmaceutical solution.
If you really think the average person on antidepressants didn’t spend YEARS trying to solve it without any medical aid, your delusional.
My beef is with the doctors that prescribe antidepressants as a generic solution to all symptoms. Not the patients.
My beef is with the doctors who prescribe antidepressants without proper investigation of the causes of the symptoms.
I feel like you haven’t gone through the process yourself. I got driven to the point of confessing I would be better off dead before I was considered for anti depressants, it’s not just a “I’m sad today” “ok here are anti depressants”
I’ve been down the other road. Countless doctors dismissing symptoms as stress rather than fibromyalgia and prescribing antidepressants.
https://www.northwell.edu/katz-institute-for-womens-health/articles/gaslighting-in-womens-health
This is a legitimate conversation, but not the time and place. I have had similar issues with SSRI’s being the only solution presented to me (despite previous experiences + knowledge of my body’s previous reactions to these medication being articulated in my refusal) and this is very much due to having an AFAB body.
However, SSRI’s are an effective medication for many people, and the priority in this conversation needs to be on this deranged attack on medical expertise and established understandings of the science. There very much are serious issues with diagnoses/prescriptions being used as alternatives to acknowledging societal problems and a way to make invisible/medically gaslight the understudied chronic illnesses primarily experienced by women, but there are also people who are chemically depressed and are being served by the chemical treatment model - attacks on this fact are profoundly unscientific and harmful and the fact that they are being made by someone potentially leading the medical “establishment” = DEFCON 1.
but there are also people who are chemically depressed and are being served by the chemical treatment model
I highlighted this group at the top of this thread. My beef is with dismissive doctors, not their chemically imbalanced patients.
Do you have something worthwhile to bring up or are you just trolling?
The fact that some doctors prescribe medications they shouldn’t is an ongoing issue for the medical industry that will never go away as long as doctors and patients are humans and we have incomplete knowledge.
It is not a reason to confirm a crazy anti-science vaccine denier as secretary of HHS.
Not trolling. My first post inb this thread acknowledges legitimate uses. I’m just pointing out the silver lining of this policy.
Reducing public dependency on badly prescribed medication doesn’t seem evil or anti science, but big pharma won’t like it.
But what leads you to believe they are being honest or will proceed in a scientific and humane way?
That is the real concern here. Conservatives describing their intentions in ways that sound good on the surface is the oldest and most practiced technique they have. That is why all the context and history around this craziness is so important.
Oh yeah definitely. I always knew I had it, I’ve had it my whole life. You try being a suicidal 7-year-old and see how well you like it. I didn’t start getting better until my 30s.
Big same fellow person. Lookin forward to seeing you in the wellness camps, and looking forward to the hell we’re going to raise.
You have my sympathy.
But I’m sure many lemmings reading this recognize the second “lazy doctor” scenario.
Where did you get your medical degree from again?
https://www.northwell.edu/katz-institute-for-womens-health/articles/gaslighting-in-womens-health
The down votes are from people who were diagnosed with “stress” and are now addicted to anti depressants.
The down votes are from people who were diagnosed with “stress” and are now addicted to anti depressants.
The downvotes are from people who think your statements are ignorant lol
The down votes are from the victims of a medical industry that doesn’t allow doctors to say “I don’t know”.
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I’m not American so I don’t know what GPs are like in the US, but I don’t know of any anti depressants that are addictive. The addictive ones are the pain killers.
You have no place diagnosing people with no proven experience in the field of psychiatry, or pharmacology.
So stop parroting RFK talking points.
You realize you’re doing the “lazy doctor” routine right now, right?
You already decided on an answer and when confronted with a discrepancy, you decided that your understanding is correct and this specific situation is the outlier.
That’s the exact same thought process you’re complaining about.
Not really.
I’m diagnosing a problem but my solution is to investigate more, not to sweep unknowns under the antidepressant carpet.
I’m diagnosing a problem
Were you clearly diagnosed with clinical depression?
Lmfao, such detective work.
You aren’t a doctor. Stop acting like one, and stop assuming you know all doctor’s motives. SSRIs are an important tool and make many peoples lives tolerable. No one’s making you or anyone take anything.
You aren’t a doctor. Stop acting like one,
I’m not seeing patients or providing medical advice. Typing on lemmy is nothing like acting like a doctor.
SSRIs are an important tool and make many peoples lives tolerable.
Agreed.
Also prozac and other drugs are prescribed for “stress related” symptoms when doctors can’t find the root cause and when patients demand a pharmaceutical solution.
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I have experienced lazy doctors who dismiss everything as stress.
Ask your doctor friends what the phrase “stress related” really means.
I have experienced lazy doctors who dismiss everything as stress
You think people are getting depression diagnosis and SSRIs on that?
Just admit you’re completely uninformed and stay out of discussions in which you are so in future, dude
No. I made that distinction at the top of this thread.
You don’t need clinical depression for a lazy doctor to prescribe Xanax.
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If he tries to ban meds, big pharma will absolutely fucking pulverise him.
I couldn’t agree more. Forced labor camps for the citizenry is totally ok, but you don’t just fuck with the bag. Eli Lilly, Astra Zeneca, Pfizer & friends won’t allow even the restriction of SSRIs, let alone the banning. Worst case scenario, they get “forced” to increase the price.
I don’t think it will get that far even.
Too much money involved for that.
Pharma has an open left leaning culture but once you get to executive leadership and the board the only thing that matters is sales. The bribers (aka lobbyists) will work with anyone.
You can bet your ass there is more chance of the FDA getting disbanded than drugs having prices regulated or simply being banned from sale. I’m expecting the biden price negotiations for medicare and medicaid to go away so the pharmas can milk us even more with their exclusive monopolies for the first decade or so of sales.
