Summary
Sen. Bernie Sanders is touring Iowa and Nebraska to rally against “the oligarchy,” aiming to energize progressives rather than launch a 2028 presidential bid.
At 83, he seeks to shape the Democratic Party’s future, arguing it lost in 2024 by neglecting working-class voters.
He hopes to influence budget battles and the 2026 midterms, targeting GOP lawmakers in battleground districts.
With Democrats lacking clear leadership, Sanders’ prominence and focus on economic inequality could define the party’s direction in the Trump-Musk era.
I love Bernie and I admire his tenacity even at 83. But it is not nearly enough by a mile and we should not be relying on 83 year old to generate paradigm shifts. Please, for the love of God, other decent people with influence. Step up.
AoC has been highly visible in news and media so she’s also giving it a go. I think one of our real issues is that leadership wise Jefferies is alright but Shumer is downright depressing.
Over the next two years we’ll see a constant push by establishment dems to push out the progressives because centrist politicians on both sides want to keep a pro-corporate status quo.
AOC is now old enough to run for president. I can see her running in 2028 and getting the grassroots support that Bernie enjoyed.
If anyone can get the youth out to vote she can. they need to focus hard on getting people registered though.
I also really REALLY hope she doesn’t campaign with a fucking Cheney
I also really REALLY hope she doesn’t campaign with a fucking Cheney
I thought I saw AOC calling out how bad an idea that was, back when Harris did it, so I don’t expect her to make the same mistake
“I think there’s plenty of people that aren’t happy about that, and I think that is part of the nature of putting together a coalition,” Ocasio-Cortez, who clashed with Cheney when they were both in the House, said.
“I don’t love it, but that doesn’t mean that we aren’t on the same team, and we aren’t on the same page when it comes to who is unequivocally the better candidate in order to win the presidential election.”
https://www.newsweek.com/aoc-liz-cheney-harris-campaign-trump-1976031
Aw shit, I hadn’t seen that.
My read on that statement is “I think this is a bad idea but in-fighting is the last thing we need right now if we want to avoid a Trump presidency.”
That’s my take as well
Calling it out harder publicly during the election would have just made a Trump presidency more likely. It’s similar to how Sanders shut up after Hillary stole the primary and threw his full weight behind her train wreck or a campaign.
People who actually give a shit don’t want Trump to win and will do whatever they can to keep that from happening.
Yeah that played out great in 2016 and 2024…
Of course infighting is bad if it escalates. But candidates who are completely detached from reality, need a reality check.
If the Democrats hadn’t waited until Summer to acknowledge what everyone saw with their own eyes, Biden being mentally declined well past the point of doing another 4 years, they could have built a proper campaign with a properly primaried candidate. But the oligarchy doesnt want that, because then topics like cost of living, housing health care and US funded genocide become topics for the Democratic base too.
And after Biden came the trainwreck of the Harris campaign. No Charisma, no political character, embracing the oligarchs coming out in support of her and finally closing the coffin with fucking war criminals Cheneys.
AOC is now old enough to run for president.
She was old enough during the last election as well.
aye, but there were no Democratic primaries in the last election
How about that.
They’ll never allow AOC to win, just like they didn’t allow Bernie.
With enough support they won’t have the power to choose. It’s an uphill battle but one that we can win.
With enough support they won’t have the power to choose.
If there’s no primaries, no amount of support matters.
And if frogs had wings they wouldn’t bump their ass when they jumped.
We do have the technology to grow wings on frogs now.
As far as I can tell there is no legal requirement for a party to run a primary. If I am missing something I am more than willing to amend my opinion.
Granted the DNC “changed the rules” but are you forgetting the super-delegates overruling the majority votes in the primaries in 2016?
So watch them run a pair of old white men, or find another member of the Clinton family that hasn’t had a go yet.
Well if we cant get Chelsea Clintin we can tap Hunter Biden right.
On a more serious note though, I would be comfortable with Michelle Obama from the getgo if she ran. I dont think she’d be easily controlled by the party. She had no time for their bullshit even when Obama was leading the party.
She might be a popular option but she doesn’t want the job.
Kerry/Manchin.
The biggest hurdle for AOC is she’s a woman. She is an attractive woman, so that’s beneficial, but I think America has made it abundantly clear that we are happy being misogynistic assholes that can’t trust women with important decisions.
Can we pleas stop repeating this narrative? Hillary lost because she is an evil ghoul. Harris lost because she kept saying how she will continue the work of Biden who equally is an evil ghoul. And Harris invited Cheney to campaign with her, who is the father of evil ghouls in the 21. Century US politics.
There is countries more conservative than the US, where women have been Presidents, Prime Ministers and Chancellors.
Far right and Nazis also dont have an issue with women leaders any more when it comes to elections. Look at Le Pen in France, Meloni in Italy and Weidel in Germany. Ffs Weidel is the nazi candidate in Germany and she is in a lesbian marriage with an Asian immigrant and raises two adopted children.
Gender has nothing to do with Harris loss and this narrative is kept being peddled to not face why people are alienated by her political program, character and donors.
You’re correct that Hilary was awful and Kamala was uninspiring, but that’s still glossing over the fact that they both lost to Donald Fucking Trump, and Kamala did so with the benefit of hindsight.
They are more ok with women when those women are on their side.
Notice how none of those are America? Evil ghouls but somehow evil men get voted in no problem? America well never vote in a Woman sorry.
I think this ignores just how uninspiring Hillary and Kamala were.
Neither really spoke to the working class
You’re correct that Hilary was awful and Kamala was uninspiring, but that’s still glossing over the fact that they both lost to Donald Fucking Trump, and Kamala did so with the benefit of hindsight.
Really just ctr+c/v’d your own comment, huh?
Yes?
I personally would prefer a Bernie/AOC ticket, with Bernie giving a public contract that allows her to have him resigned if his mind starts going. IMO, it would be ideal if we could get 16 years of Bernie/AOC, and more if they can raise worthy successors.
Bernie will be 87 in 2028. Unfortunately i think Bernies chance at the presidency has been and gone. AOC/Walz would be nice. Walz proved him self to be likable in the Harris campaign but he doesn’t have the profile that AOC does despite arguably having more experience
I was higher on Jeffries until I heard him interviewed by John Stewart. He said a bunch of nothing just like the rest of the party.
AOC’s interview was significantly better.
Jeffries is horribly corrupt and a total stooge for monied interests. Don’t let his PR team fool you.
But but but he rhymes at times like johnnie cochran when he’s on and rockin!
Surely, that makes up for being a corporate drone that helps keep status quo fascism in place.
She looks great, but is it worth risking more MAGA on America voting for a woman? A third time? They think they were radical voting for “the black man”. Voting a woman seams beyond America even if the other choice is Trump or not voting. God know what the state the world is going to be in by the time another US election is due, let alone if it’s allowed to happen and be remotely free and fair.
Around the world, countries voted for change last year, not just America. Not necessarily good change, but people were unhappy and didn’t like the way things were. When Biden dropped out, there was massive excitement that maybe Kamala would offer good change, but eventually she promised more of the same.
I’m not saying sexism wasn’t a factor, it was. But it wasn’t the only factor. And Trump’s margin of victory wasn’t so large that we should just write off all women because Trump won against two women who allowed him to be the “change” candidate.
Kamala’s biggest weakness was trying herself with Joe Biden. She should have taken a more radical approach and sweeping changes.
I would argue the biggest factor is the lack of a primary. Kamela didn’t get to prove her 2024 chops, along with not having nearly enough time to organize a campaign. Biden and his handlers really screwed the pooch.
What it really comes down to, though, is corporate donors. Never forget that most of the high democratic leadership are a feckless and dependent lot. Kamela, like the rest, listened to the demons.
Harris raised 50% more than Trump. It’s hard to pin this one solely on big money influence.
Her messaging changed midway through her campaign, to one that was friendlier to a center-right disposition. She lost a good deal of her mojo because of that, since she became Biden v2.0. While obviously better than Trump, she was rejected for being more of the same. Many politicians across the globe felt a backlash in 2024 for not trying to rock the boat.
I mean, not having a real platform beyond business as usual, ignoring the cost of living crisis, and expressing a commitment to continued genocide were particularly large factors.
See from here in the UK, both women seams good enough and miles better than Trump. I think it says a lot about the US that both times they choose Trump over these clearly competent woman. The US just isn’t as socially progressive as Democratic leadership seam to think. I agree there was more than just misogynism going on, but it seams like it was a solid chunk of it.
See from here in the UK
Sorry UK, you’re very much in the same boat with us americans. Nothing an American or Brit says about politics will be taken seriously by anyone. A literal clown with a painted face would be taken more seriously than either of us.
The Democrats succession planning was/is terrible, which is why an 83 year old independent is one of the few that can rally a crowd. I wish they had done better.
In German class, in Arizona, my German teacher taught us teenage edgelords about Hitler. About his speeches. About his Charisma. He was a cult of personality. He could rally a crowd. If there aren’t videos comparing trump rallies to Hitler, I suggest you make you’re own comparison, and use your own judgment. There’s a reason fascism wins. Hate doesn’t prosper under progressives.
I have a friend who’s really into serial killers and cults, like, he’s listened to the recordings of the final moments of the Jamestown Massacre where you can hear them forcing the Flavor-Aid down people’s throats as the rest gasp and choke and die in the background, and he says that Trump sounds just like Jim Jones. From his speech patterns to the tone of his voice, it gives him chills just how alike they sound.
Jonestown, or as I just learned it was also called, the Peoples Temple Agricultural Project
Thanks, I have no idea why my phone auto corrected to James.
the democratic peoples republic of temple
I have a friend who’s really into serial killers and cults
Yeah, uhhhh, keep an eye on that guy.
Yeah, it’s not bad planning.
They continue actively keeping the progressives and the younger leaders out of power.
(This is about AOC, not Bernie, but we all know they did him dirty at least twice already.)
Which is why he’s recruiting.
Please
Ok, good opener, I’m listening
for the love of God
Eh. Fuck that asshole sideways.
other decent people
We’re back on, yeah!
with influence.
Ah. That’s a no-go, sorry. Especially not in this fascist-breeding-pit climate…
Step up.
Hunh. Might be why the only guy stepping up is Bernie. He’s so old, he’s in Death’s phone contacts under “guy @ work”. 🙃
Democratic Socialists had a pretty serious recruiting campaign for the 2018 midterms. Cold-called potential candidates, offered training for both speechifying and organizing. Put up actual progressive candidates against incumbent dems in carefully chosen districts. That’s where “The Squad” came from.
Then they just kind of disappeared.
My point is that there are people out there willing to step up, but probably not thinking that they could be a “real” candidate and win, put up with the hassle and harrasment. People who would answer if called, but aren’t ready to jump in unasked. Bernie’s asking.
Hey Bernie if you need some blood or a kidney or something lemme know.
Give us the word Bernie, we can find a whole bunch of blood and kidneys for you.
I mean I need to keep some, guys
It’s fine, we’ll just donate to you once you run out. Then you can keep donating. 👌💪
Just clarifying, are you offering your blood or kidney, or do you just like have a bunch sitting around?
I would give Bernie Sanders a blood donation no question.
Edit I would give him a blood marrow donation no question. Aware of the discomfort and recovery.
I would legitimately consider giving him a kidney, after certain private conversations and understanding.
If I can source him a nice kidney, lemme call my guy
I would be willing to source it from outside if needed. He’s a real one.
I think the only way the Democrat party meets the current moment is if an AOC or Bernie or similar wins the next presidential primary and aggressively replaces the current leadership.
First they’ll need to fight to even have a fair election in 2026 and 2028. (Hell, even to have an election).
“elections” are a cornerstone of autocracies. There will definitely be an election event.
Whether your vote is even counted is another question entirely. Same for whether you will be allowed to cast a ballot.
I’m not even talking about saving democracy yet, I’m just talking about whether or not the democrats earn a “You tried” sticker.
Going to be hard for a progressive to win a primary when the corporate dems flood those campaigns with DNC money for the opposition, or worse just steal the nomination flat-out.
Current leadership will never let that happen. They will ride the wreckage of our nation into the ground rather than let the party move left or allow substantial power in the hands of non-boomers. We just have to wait for them to die of old age.
Pelosi Won. The Democratic Party Lost.
(Pelosi is silent generation ffs! She should have had her hands removed from the levers of power decades ago.)
Also:
agreed, but of the 448 votes for electing dnc party leadership, 248 were dnc insiders, and 200 were handpicked by the dnc to vote, from the pool of state leislators. Theres no way at all to take control of the dnc in any hostile manner. Its just not possible.
PROTECT THIS MAN AT ALL COST
We’ll have to give him the Emperor of Mankind treatment if this continues.
I would love it if Bruva did several episodes featuring Bernie and AOC.
From what? Most of the attacks against him come from behind him.
From the DNC
Attacks? He is playing his role like AOC and the rest of them. The dems need these harmless larpers to pretend they have something progressive to offer. When it comes down to it, every time they vote for war, zionist genocide and endorses the big oligarch choices in his horrible party.
At this point some Democrats need to splinter off with the simple litmus test of opposing the oligarchs.
That much splintering won’t leave much tree remaining
That’s the point…
cool, another 4 years of the heritage foundation picks then
How many Dems take corporate money and are doing fuck all right now? 90%+ is my guess. Heritage Foundation judges already happened and will keep happening. Keep supporting the establishment Dems 👍🏽
As someone in my 50s let me just tell you this - if you are over 40 and live in the US, you ain’t seeing normalcy in our government again in your lifetime. Mark my words. And if you are under 40, you might, but it’s gonna be a rough ride for awhile.
So if Democrats need to use this upcoming lengthy period of upheaval to come out of the other side with a party actually interested in resisting the fascists and the oligarchs, that can be the sliver lining to the decades of struggle that have now begun.
Transforming every voter over 50 into nutitious soylent green paste would help the whole country in many ways, even if we just used that soylent as fertilizer. Its something to think about at least.
What’s the point of saving a tree whose fruits are unpopular and the nutrition is lacking? It is common to fell trees that are past their fruiting prime to make way for a younger crop.
Worked for the Republicans?
The “splinter” of the Republicans was created on behalf of, backed by, and directly benefited the corporate oligarchy and their capital.
The splintering of the left to hold those same corporate oligarchs responsible — threatening their wealth and power — will not be backed by corporations or their capital. It will be ruthlessly attacked by them, and if the threat becomes more than just a fringe movement the response will be the full force of the fascist dictatorship, the propaganda machine, surveillance state/capitalism, and MIC (e.g. death camps, mass murder, etc).
But it should still happen, because the chance of success diminishes with every position fascists fill… If it doesn’t happen sooner than later it’ll probably never happen.
Bernie 2016
Bernie 2020
Bernie 2024Fuck the Democrats
Bernie told me to vote for the Democrat every time he lost the primary to them, I did what Bernie told me.
Exactly. Read any of his books. He understands that the only way a progressive party will ever gain power in this country is by running as Democrats and exerting progressive political capital to reform the Democratic party.
Bernie knows that the most staple progressive issues are wildly popular with the American people, and he knows probably better than anyone alive in this country today that progressives are up against on oligarchy with unlimited control over the media and unlimited financial and human resources to fight progressive agendas, and get he still fights. Why? See point two: progressive policy is wildly popular in the United States and we outnumber the billionaires.
Yes, the lesser genocide choice. Sometimes the game is too obvious.
It must be exhausting have your head lodged up your ass all the time.
do you have an argument somewhere?
That would be a waste of effort on someone like you.
How sad is this? Do you need an alt account or is it really two of you together not able tostring an argument together and only offer lame attempts at insults? Is Reddit down?
lol
Is Reddit down? You tell us, five day old account.
Not with you. That’s pointless.
Debbie Wasserman Schultz is a corrupt criminal who should be in jail.
What? Fuck the Democrats but not this one in particular?
Bernie is not a democrat
Democrats as in the DNC party, who in their corporate interests refuses to promote and push for candidates that have fought for the people.
Also Bernie is an independent who works closely with democrats, because unfortunately we’re essentially stuck with a two party system.
That corporate wing of the party, the clintonites, etc, are losing power.
The writing on the wall can’t be any more clear than it is right now.
In 2016, 2020, and 2024, they could still argue that people wanted a more middle ground. That ship is sailed.
Bernie might as well be in the party and endorsed their prefered corporate ghouls. Genocide Joe TWICE (changing his choice from horrible Hillary). He is there to play his role (like AOC and others of the cringe squad) and will always tow the party line in a vote. He will go against it when it’s sure to lose. Pure virtue signalling. He will talk the talk, never walk the walk. Imagine that, a politician lying!
we’re essentially stuck with a two party system.
Sure if you keep voting for them.
What walk do you want him to walk? What do you want him to do differently? Specifically.
What do you do to walk that walk? Specifically.
“If the Democrats listened to Bernie, we wouldn’t be in this mess. I assume he feels a deep level of disgust.”
Fuck, at this point I’d take a bullet for this guy.
Candidly, he’d probably fight you on that, preferring you carry the torch.
In fact, he’d rather we start carrying the torch before he even dies. AOC can’t do this alone.
I admire Bernie but most Trump supporters I met or know seem either very rich, or poor but quite believe he will turn things around and things getting worse before it gets better is ok. We are talking about cult, expecting them being rational is dead end.
The Bernie-Trump pipeline is a very real thing, surprisingly, so if and only if one is as progressive as Bernie or AOC there is value in such an endeavor.
That’s what the SS stands for now. Selfish or stupid. Or both, honestly.
83 and he’s still got that dog in him.
Once again he’s gonna dog anyone who supports him.
Yep, he won’t bite the hand that feeds him. He’s a good doggy. Barks loud but when it matters he does exactly what master says.
Haha what?
Just more disinformation. They’ll throw anything at him in hopes that it sticks. They have no idea how to handle decades of sincere authenticity and prescience.
If you look at his vote record he hasn’t bowed to anyone, even when he’s been the only senator voting against something
he’s been the only senator voting against something>
I have literally said this in another comment. He and other fake progressives do this when they are absolutely sure it will have no consequences. Not when it’s possibly a close call. Pure empty virtue signaling.
I’ll copy another comment on his voting habbits tho :
VOTED in favor of almost every US invasion in the following nations: Afghanistan, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Syria, Yemen, Yugoslavia,2, Bosnia, Haiti, Congo, Liberia, Sudan, and Ukraine. Even parroting the regime narrative that drones ‘are sellective’ and ‘take out the people they should’ while 90% they killed are innocent people. Be a “I am 100% pro-Israel” genocide supporter. VOTES in favour of the US aid to the Zionist settler-colony every time. VOTED in favor of a resolution that “reaffirms the Jerusalem Embassy Act of 1995 . During the 2014 assault on Gaza, blatantly biased Senate resolutions S. Res 498 and S. Res 526 that fully condoned the Israeli assault and characterized it as “self-defense” were passed by unanimous consent. Although Sanders did not co-sponsor either resolution, he failed to register any formal objection (a resolution passes by unanimous consent if no objection is raised; as such, no vote is taken). To be clear, this is not the first time Sanders failed to speak up in Congress against Israel’s brutal assault of Gaza. In 2012, Sanders failed to register any objection against biased Senate resolution S. Res 599 that couched Israel’s bombing of Gaza as “self-defense” and that passed by unanimous consent; according to Human Rights organization B’Tselem, 167 Palestinians were killed, including at least 87 civilians (vs. 4 Israeli civilians). In 2009, biased Senate resolution S. Res 10 backed Israel’s assault on Gaza and yet again justified it as Israel’s “right to defend itself” without garnering any objection from Sanders (it passed by unanimous consent); according to B’Tselem, 1387 Palestinians were killed, including at least 773 civilians (vs. 3 Israeli civilians). In 2006, Sanders actually supported the brutal Israeli assault on Gaza and Lebanon during the war that killed 1191 Lebanese civilians per Amnesty International (vs. 43 Israeli civilians killed) when he VOTED Yea to House resolution H. Res 921.
He can speech, object, condemn or whatever he does. It’s empty words.
Troll
Lame and weak.
You certainly are.
Piss baby.
You mean THIS house resolution 921?
https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-resolution/921
H.Res.921 - Honoring the 30th anniversary of the National Guard Youth Challenge Program. 118th Congress (2023-2024)
I think I smell bullshit
NO, https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/BILLS-109hres921ih/pdf/BILLS-109hres921ih.pdf from 2006.
Nice try tho.
You’ve got nothing
You’ve got a shit attitude and folks won’t listen until you fix yourself.
If they can’t take the truth it’s their problem. They have been screwing themselves for centuries continuing this uniparty BS and their token progressives. AOC can take over from him and they can continue for centuries more. Me personally am doing great and none of this, whoever wins anything affects me in the least. I just don’t get how people can vote against their own interests. Then again there’s black and latinos for Trump so there doesn’t seem to be much logic in people’s reasoning.
He and other fake progressives do this when they are absolutely sure it will have no consequences.
Not when it’s possibly a close call. Pure empty virtue signaling.
First off, based on everything else he does - who fucking cares fr What a great way to both share your stance on an issue and garner attention for your causes - stand out. It’s both harmless and clever - in American Politics even.
TF is this opinion?
Who cares about his VOTING? The only thing that actually has effect. Right, “but he SAYS what we think so well” that’s what important to you? Great take.
Your claim is that “Bernie being the only one voting ‘no’ is virtue signaling.” where my point is that if you know a vote is going to pass or fail, you might as well either stand out of use that opportunity to voice your opinion. If a vote is going to pass regardless of Bernies vote, who care if he wants to use that as a catalyst to spread his message, ideas, and opinions.
I have posted an extensive list of his horrible pro-war empire and zionist voting. Leave the " to voice your opinion…a catalyst to spread his message, ideas, and opinions." for the brochure. The only thing he’s spreading is the illusion there is place for progressives in that horrible party and to keep gullible people away from 3rd parties that actually want change. End of convo
Are there videos of these rallies that can be shared so more people know about this?
I’m subscribed to both his YT channels and he’s been running a full offensive for decades, nothing seems to be changing recently on that front.
We gotta take Capitalism down before it takes us down
So they’re making a progressive party?
