I’d make it purgatory-style, where you’re stomped and ripped apart by farm animals you’ve eaten, and only then you get to heaven, have a cuppa tea with them and laugh about it.
I had this same conversation in the middle of nowhere with a farmer. And for just a moment, a hint of a second this massive bloke quietly said “do you really believe all those animals would be up there?”
I doubt I changed his mind overall but maybe gave him pause for thought.
I dont got one but most wars have been religiouse in nature but ur right ww1/2 might skew that a little simply due to larger populations being sacrified. But then again there has been thousands of years of religiouse wars throughout history someone shoudl do the analysis i recon it would be close.
I’m short on the time to rabbit-hole into this (although the time period fadcinates me), but I’m fairly sure the Romans, after executing Christ and persecuting all of His crazy not-useful-to-Caesar “love thy neighbor” pacifists wherever they could be found, realized it’s hard to eradicate something like faith.
So they worked on a way to adopt a palatable State-friendly version of the faith that says “Hey, you can still follow your God as long as you pledge yourself to Caesar. Patriotism is Godly!”
…and following that playbook is how we got the Vatican, and much later the US co-opted a bunch of humble God-fearing pacifists into thinking work for its own sake is worship, some people are more human than others, Jesus wants you to support The Troops™, and it’s ok to compete with your neighbor and obsessively chase great riches.
This State-friendly-free-market Jesus propaganda is SO effective it’s unreal. It all sounds like it makes sense as long as nobody actually opens a Bible and churches are reduced to self-help seminars with prayer sessions.
The Bible warns against taking oaths, has commandments against idolatry and putting others before God, and other State-unfriendly passages…and yet the US has convinced everyone it’s a “Christian nation” while it coerces its children to “pledge allegiance” to…a flag.
That oath is expanded and further consequential to those who choose to become soldiers.
Jesus tells us to love our enemies. Obviously He’s against murder and theft. He tells us to be truthful and not break our promises…but they’re so ready to salute a country’s fabric idol and promise to go kill whomever it points them toward.
This indeed creates quite a predicament for the soul.
Exactly. Religions that survive and get promoted are the ones that can thrive in the society they are living in, and that generally requires fitting into the political world of that society.
Religions that criticize the powers that be either overthrow them then become complicit with the new leaders over time, or they get marginalized. Priests had to deal with kings, one way or another.
Religion itself is much older then the abrahamic branches.
I am not sure if the romans or christians would even exist by means of the butterfly fly effect.
Of course, i am just dreaming about a hypothetical scenario but things like murder and theft were recognized as wrong very early on in the human timeline but genocide the neighbour clan and rape where not.
Murder and theft were always recognized as wrong when the people were doing it to each other - rulers always had different rules for what they are allowed to do, and preferred to promote the religions that solidified these privileges.
All Nazi bucklers had the words “God mitt uns” on them.
And Hitler wrote plenty of times how he was a devout Christian in his diaries.
There is a reason why he started with gassing Jews and not black people or anyone else that was even further away from what he would consider the “Übermench”
“God mitt uns” was in use in Germany since 1701. Hitler only pretended to be a Christian for votes. Hitler also mass murdered people with mental disabilities. Anyone who wasn’t “Ubermench” were people who weren’t aryans. Plenty of Slavs were sent to Auschwitz, and even some French as well. Hitler’s motivation for the Holocaust was far from Christianity. It was based in scientific atheistic eugenic ideas.
Both rather typical christian things, you guys stole half your rituals from paganism while killing and torturing people was pretty en vogue with christians for quite some time.
Do you think murderers and the murdered get together in the afterlife to joke about it
If God is real then he’s a sadistic psychopath who would make it a reality show format.
I’d make it purgatory-style, where you’re stomped and ripped apart by farm animals you’ve eaten, and only then you get to heaven, have a cuppa tea with them and laugh about it.
I had this same conversation in the middle of nowhere with a farmer. And for just a moment, a hint of a second this massive bloke quietly said “do you really believe all those animals would be up there?” I doubt I changed his mind overall but maybe gave him pause for thought.
I mean presumably they go to different places… I guess soldiers might.
To be fair, you had that ceasefire in Christmas 1914 where British and German soldiers decided to stop fighting and play football together
I don’t believe in heaven and hell but imagine if religious preached “following order to kill = going to hell”
Would never fly religion has killed more people than every single other war in human history combined.
Source?
Google something about crusades and other religious wars, should be enough
A quick search gives 7% for the proportion of religious wars of all wars, which makes the claim that religious wars killed the most people unlikely.
I hate religion as much as the next guy, but you don’t have to make shit up.
I dont got one but most wars have been religiouse in nature but ur right ww1/2 might skew that a little simply due to larger populations being sacrified. But then again there has been thousands of years of religiouse wars throughout history someone shoudl do the analysis i recon it would be close.
Would the Roman empire promote Christianity had it preached such a tenet?
I’m short on the time to rabbit-hole into this (although the time period fadcinates me), but I’m fairly sure the Romans, after executing Christ and persecuting all of His crazy not-useful-to-Caesar “love thy neighbor” pacifists wherever they could be found, realized it’s hard to eradicate something like faith.
So they worked on a way to adopt a palatable State-friendly version of the faith that says “Hey, you can still follow your God as long as you pledge yourself to Caesar. Patriotism is Godly!”
…and following that playbook is how we got the Vatican, and much later the US co-opted a bunch of humble God-fearing pacifists into thinking work for its own sake is worship, some people are more human than others, Jesus wants you to support The Troops™, and it’s ok to compete with your neighbor and obsessively chase great riches.
This State-friendly-free-market Jesus propaganda is SO effective it’s unreal. It all sounds like it makes sense as long as nobody actually opens a Bible and churches are reduced to self-help seminars with prayer sessions.
The Bible warns against taking oaths, has commandments against idolatry and putting others before God, and other State-unfriendly passages…and yet the US has convinced everyone it’s a “Christian nation” while it coerces its children to “pledge allegiance” to…a flag. That oath is expanded and further consequential to those who choose to become soldiers.
Jesus tells us to love our enemies. Obviously He’s against murder and theft. He tells us to be truthful and not break our promises…but they’re so ready to salute a country’s fabric idol and promise to go kill whomever it points them toward.
This indeed creates quite a predicament for the soul.
Exactly. Religions that survive and get promoted are the ones that can thrive in the society they are living in, and that generally requires fitting into the political world of that society.
Religions that criticize the powers that be either overthrow them then become complicit with the new leaders over time, or they get marginalized. Priests had to deal with kings, one way or another.
Religion itself is much older then the abrahamic branches.
I am not sure if the romans or christians would even exist by means of the butterfly fly effect.
Of course, i am just dreaming about a hypothetical scenario but things like murder and theft were recognized as wrong very early on in the human timeline but genocide the neighbour clan and rape where not.
Murder and theft were always recognized as wrong when the people were doing it to each other - rulers always had different rules for what they are allowed to do, and preferred to promote the religions that solidified these privileges.
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I heavily doubt Hitler is in heaven
“I’m as confused as you are.”
All he had to do was repent his sins and accept jesus - so, quite possible.
I really doubt Hitler was the type of guy to repent, nevermind actually care about God.
All Nazi bucklers had the words “God mitt uns” on them.
And Hitler wrote plenty of times how he was a devout Christian in his diaries.
There is a reason why he started with gassing Jews and not black people or anyone else that was even further away from what he would consider the “Übermench”
“God mitt uns” was in use in Germany since 1701. Hitler only pretended to be a Christian for votes. Hitler also mass murdered people with mental disabilities. Anyone who wasn’t “Ubermench” were people who weren’t aryans. Plenty of Slavs were sent to Auschwitz, and even some French as well. Hitler’s motivation for the Holocaust was far from Christianity. It was based in scientific atheistic eugenic ideas.
You never know.
I mean if he was that type of guy he wouldn’t have flirted with paganism and committed genocide
Both rather typical christian things, you guys stole half your rituals from paganism while killing and torturing people was pretty en vogue with christians for quite some time.
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Even if he confessed his sins, you may have missed the “…. And am truly repentant” part.
When did he confess?