As a Canadian, I’m incredibly disappointed in my government for supporting this genocide and settling of stolen land. We’re on the wrong side of history with this.
this genocide and settling of stolen land.
Guess they’re concerned they’d have to look inward a little?
Thing is, Canada has been looking inward. That’s what makes it worse.
What has the Canadian state done to materially improve the conditions of the indigenous population? It’s all lip service and no action. The major difference here is that the project of ethnic and cultural genocide was largely successful, wiping out the chance of any serious resistance movement.
At least in BC, they gave the First Nations people basically carte blanche to develop tranches of land in the middle of Vancouver.
In today’s real estate environment, I’m sure I don’t need to tell you how valuable that is.
Yeah the confused Canadians need to get a clue
They can shut the fuck up about “truth and reconciliation” while simultaneously supporting a modern day indigenous genocide on top of continuing on their own indigenous genocide in secret. I knew they were full of shit after they made the Queen’s day of death a holiday.
It’s so absolutely insane how Canada is happy to tout reconciliation with First Nations people and simultaneously support the genocide of an indigenous people.
That’s just a resistance-numbing effort. In the courts and on the streets they very much continue their genocide at full speed, and judging by how shocked as shit people were at discovering the mass graves and how quickly everyone forgot about it after the initial shock, it’s working.
First Nations
I think they’re third-nations with all the discoveries of civilisations long buried.
Disappointed, sure, but I don’t think you should be surprised.
Canada was founded as a country specifically for the purpose of genocide. Virtually the entire country is on settled and stolen land. It would be hypocritical to be against someone else doing the same.
You could say the same about Australia and various Latin America countries, yet they still condemn Israel action.
You’re right, but there’s a reason why Canadians don’t talk about their “founding fathers” the way Americans do.
I don’t know how many other countries are the same way.
The first PM was explicitly racist against indigenous people, and IIRC, the country was explicitly founded on the basis of white supremacy over indigenous peoples.
That’s true for a lot of places, it’s just that Canadians recognize that.
Canada was founded more than 150 years ago. I’m surprised that in that intervening period, nothing has changed.
Generally speaking if Germany votes in favour of this kind of resolution and you against, you done fucked up.
Yeah, why the fuck are we red?!?
Because Canada itself is an apartheid regime, and doesn’t want to set a “wrong” precedent.
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wow it’s actually not the exact same map
this seems like a modicum of progress
The crimes of the empire are so blatant now that even the vassals aren’t comfortable supporting them.
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I do think there is a growing realization in Europe that US has thrown them under the bus.
You are making the US seem cool calling it The Empire
if you think that empires are cool then don’t know what to say there
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Can’t be first time for you. Surely you’ve met people who are enthuastic about Roman Empire for example?
these people invariably fall on the fascist end of the political spectrum
Have you actually met these people in real life?
lots
The idea of a consolidated imperial core is in itself flawed and the idea itself is not applicable to all situations. Though definitely a useful point of view sometimes, using it unconditionally will only deny nuance and differences between core countries, which is not always helpful.
EDIT: Guessing this will probably get downvoted and/or ignored, but if anyone is actually willing to provide or cite some justification/explanation of the map in question, that would be great. Linking the Wikipedia article, whose map differs and has the reasoning of core countries as
They are usually recognized as wealthy states with a wide variety of resources and are in a favorable location compared to other states.
containing several points, which in total are inconsistent by leading to a false dichotomy, is not what I ask and not what I think a map of imperial core states should use for classification.
My reasoning for calling a consolidated core flawed is among other things because it is not taking into consideration the historic development and relationships between core states. Some classify, for example, Scotland as a semi-core due to these reasons.
https://lemmygrad.ml/c/alwaysthesamemap
lots of examples of what this map emoji means here
I particularly like this one of the countries that recognize Palestine, which is the inverse of the ‘same map’.
https://lemmygrad.ml/pictrs/image/f8d50ef2-6638-43e2-86e6-d1ece0d35add.png
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Good bot. This is important enough to be built into lemmy imo
No, this is not an explanation. For something as important as the imperial core, which you claim the map portrays, there needs to be an actual proper definition and reasoning behind it. Having a bunch of loosely corrolated maps is not it. The list of countries that recognize Palestine is also not a proper inverse.
I am just tired of seeing this map spammed. Once some even ridiculed others for not acknowledgeding it as the de facto definition of imperial core. I think this is especially bad due to having yet to see anyone actually putting any effort into analysis of why it looks like it does. Spewing unsubstantiated ideas is for the incoherent bourgeoisie and fascists.
It’s a meme (Moreover, the emote is named “international community” not “imperial core”).
Hexbear emotes are not rigorous theoretical statements. E.g.:
Hexbear emotes are not rigorous theoretical statements.
speak for yourself
No each map is explained on that comm. You assigning it ‘imperial core’ and asking for an explanation is some JAQing off sealioning imo. Theses maps correlate how interests of countries align around various issues, and the ‘same map’ comes up a lot because of how these same countries often agree on things in contrast to the the rest of the world. It’s not some socio-political theory, it’s just the reality of how these countries align into blocs that correlate with maintaining the current US hegemonic status quo.
The two maps that really ‘explained’ this concept for me were the map of countries that ‘condemn China’s treatment of Uyghur Muslims’ contrasted with the map of ‘countries that recognize Palestine’. It shows how this bloc of countries want to demonize China while supporting the ongoing genocide of Palestine’s indigenous peoples. The principles they espouse are unmasked in the light of the truth of this comparison.
Saying I am sealioning is an accusation and not an opinion besides also being wrong. Here is one in return: Acting like the map is not usually considered to portray the imperial core is intellectual dishonesty on your part.
Whotf talks like this anyway?
is an accusation and not an opinion besides also being wrong.
First you accuse me of sealioning and then you hide behind an “imo” like that is just your opinion. There is no such relativistic position on an objective matter. You are wrong to claim so and cowardly for disguising it as an opinion. With this in mind it does not surprise me that you stoop even lower with trying to berate me for my style of writing. Who tf acts like that?
debate pervert
Guessing this will probably get downvoted
We don’t have downvotes
You dont. We do.
Alright, enjoy!
Hexbear is also not the only leftist community on Reddit. None of you have still made an attempt to explain the image though, hence why I said and/or ignored.
Hexbear is also not the only leftist community on Reddit
yeah, there’s lemmygrad too
Yes, and as far as I know they still have down votes.
Hexbear is also not the only leftist community on Reddit.
What does that have to do with my reply to you?
Slapp helt av, vi er (heldigvis) ikke på reddit.
When I said ignored and/or downvoted I did not necessarily mean by Hexbear users, cue my comment following yours about you not having downvotes. Even so, what I originally meant with that is that much of my experience in trying to engage on this issue have been marked with, what I deem, unnecessary hostility.
Had this been on Reddit I would not be engaging in conversation at all above using memes as language.
Okay.
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Wrong site ya doof
Oh no, I made a mistake. Who cares?
Imagine being in such blatant violation of international law and human decency that China, Japan, and both Good and Capitalist Running Dog Korea can agree that you suck.
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chronic food shortage stricken, ostracized
i wonder why a country under economic sanction from the US & its allies for decades might have economic trouble. i wonder why they’re rude to the US after the US bombed and murdered their people for 3 years & still occupy the southern half of their country
I mean the US did have talks and if you’re not willing to concede anything that’s on you. Also, military presence in the country is pretty different from occupation.
South Korea is on its FIFTH version of the country because the US continually coups it whenever the existing people aren’t doing exactly what they want. It’s called the Fifth Republic for a fucking reason. It is an occupied vassal state entirely subservient to the USA and has been ever since the US genocided one fifth of the population of Korea (all of Korea). Keep in mind that being on your FIFTH republic is remarkable when the southern dictatorship was only first formed in 1948.
The US military has also literally run korean children over with tanks, which is very funny given that this is fake propaganda levelled at another enemy of the US, but in the case of america it’s actually fucking true.
I had no clue there were several republics kinda like France (I think?), I searched Wikipedia and it said that they are on their 6th republic, not 5th. Maybe you are off by one? Either way it’s a poor mark on the country and its governance.
Ahh yes 6th. Working from memory in most of my responses and without checking I’m pretty bad at dates and numbers tbh. It’s worse with african countries though I am one of the people that mixes up their histories all the time to my great shame. I don’t even know why it happens, I don’t do it with south american countries.
The general point stands, the stability of their government is directly tied to whether or not they’re doing what the americans want. And whenever things aren’t going precisely as desired the coups happen incredibly easily. By design.
I wonder if someone could make a series of movie trailers for each republic with the executive producer being the US and having all sorts of poor takes.
Executive Producer: “No, no, we need LESS military oversight for the next one, SPEND MORE on practical explosions, the audience will love it!”
Director: “But sir, we already had half an hour of explosions, the most common criticism was about the confusing plot which was always interrupted by explosion sequences.”
Executive Producer: “We need those to keep the audience on their toes! We can’t plan explosion scenes we need to let the invisible hand of the free market decide and let us know!!”
military presence in the country is pretty different from occupation
45 fucking years the US propped up, armed, and aided the dictatorial rule of conservative and military governments in South Korea. South Korea’s army still comes under US control in wartime, but sure 2 decades of just mostly corrupt “democracy” means they can just opt-out of US military garrisons. nothing bad would happen to the government that demands that, no matter how popular it is with the Korean people
if you’re not willing to concede anything
the US won’t concede basic demands like moving their troops off the border! fucking ridiculous equating Korea’s refusal to expose itself to attack with US bases thousands of miles away from the US
Despite this, as of 2011, 74% of South Koreans have a favorable view of the U.S., making it one of the most pro-American countries in the world.
46% of s. Koreans support unification versus 26% against, the United States constitutes the single greatest obstacle to this & Korean soverignty
Did you know that as of 2018 Kim Jong Un has an 80% approval rating?
… In South Korea.
That’s crazy but true. Funny thing is that a month before the poll the guy had a 10% approval rating. It’s only after the South Korean president was discussing demilitarization with Kim in the 2018 summit did people come to trust him.
hmmm… It’s almost as if you would show some good faith that you are willing to concede and not be a nuclear crazy warmonger, people would look positively at you. Crazy isn’t it?
Also, military presence in the country is pretty different from occupation.
If war breaks out, the RoK is supposed to turn overall command of its military over to the US.
South Korea is not a sovereign state.
It’s only hilarious if you’re highly propagandised and have never examined any of the absolutely ridiculous propaganda that has led you to feel the way you do about them such as:
Using anti aircraft guns for executions (“according to south korean media” lmao)
They all have to get the same haircut
Or that they’re aggressive or something? Like what? How many wars has Korea been in since the US killed 1 fifth of its entire population in the biggest post-holocaust genocide the world has ever seen?
The shit you believe is ridiculous, why do you believe this shit? Why have you never actually said “that sounds fucking stupid”? You don’t examine anything critically at all. You just go with the flow because you’ve seen everyone else be hyper negative about it and never really actually stopped and thought about any of these utterly ridiculous things.
In the meantime, the US is responsible for starting 205 out of 248 conflicts between ww2 and 2010. And yet the DPRK is supposedly a bad rogue state? You’re out of your mind, you do not apply the same principles to one of these countries vs the other, you are guided by FEELS based on whatever propaganda has successfully taken hold in the population. You aren’t really guided by facts or real accessible information we have via the worldbank data and the UN.
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
They all have to get the same haircut
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I’m open-source; check me out at GitHub.
It’s pretty hilarious that you’re so smug and up your own ass you pretend to not understand that other political ideologies exist that may differ from your own. So full of yourself and your own self aggrandizement that you can’t type a sentence without presenting it in such a way as though the other person is so stupid for not seeing things your way. Take your smarmy ass back to reddit. No one likes nor wants you around on their forums
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“Authoritarianism” is a buzzword used by people who think that a government which does anything beyond letting itself get railed by corporations is overreaching, come up with better material
“authoritarianism isn’t real” is the funniest take I’ve heard this year. I suggest you take a break from the internet.
I suggest you read some actual political theory.
I work in the heavy industry. “Industry 4.0” is a buzzword. Does that mean that the actual physical thing that the word supposedly describes isn’t real?
Authoritarianism is the biggest buzzword of the generation, not because it isn’t real but because it is real and it’s all around you and yet you can’t realize it. If you live in the west, or in the imperial core, you live in the world’s largest panopticon, but you don’t perceive it. You don’t perceive it because you are not politically conscious.
Part of the reason that minorities in the west, especially people living in poverty, are so keen to latch onto a leftist understanding of the world (matrix of domination for slightly less radical, onto Marxism in the most) is because they are acutely aware of the authoritarianism that weaves the fabric of your society. I want to state explicitly that one of the primary reasons that you are not aware of it is that you’re most likely part of the ingroup, or you live within the green zone which your nation’s bourgeois has prescribed to you, meanwhile most minorities are face to face with it, suffering with an ailment that is invisible to you.
But here you are calling a country you’ve never been to, and will never ever travel to, along with every country ran by an asian or brownskinned person “authoritarian”. You don’t do it because of your political knowledge, you just regurgitate a buzzword you’ve heard on TV or on social media. You’re like my grandma asking me about “that ChatGPT thing”.
Define authority. All governments utilise authority.
Post hog, liberal.
I can’t help being
. This is why no one actually likes you. Die alone.
I’m sure they just weren’t aware that starving your whole population is simply a “differing political ideology.” Cut them some slack.
You live in the largest, most expensive propaganda machine that’s ever been created by man
You’re talking about a country and an ideology that propaganda machine has been willing to burn the world with nuclear hellfire to contain for a hundred years
Learn about the things you’re talking about. “The forgotten war”
Yes. North Korea is and has always been the good guys.
That’s impossible to believe but you can swallow the idea they tell their people they’ve dug up unicorns. You believe they make everyone have the same haircut as the dictator but you can’t believe that an enemy of a country currently assisting and giving protection to a genocide could be the good guy.
No they don’t, actually. And the way you brush off someone asking you to learn something with a vacuous smug affectation should be your first clue that you are indeed uneducated at least.
Grunge is dead. “I don’t care everything sucks” is infantile. Everyone has seen the ‘both sides it’s complicated taking a position is a sign of mental illness’ bullshit enough at this point. It’s a trick to feel smart that doesn’t work anymore. Get a new bit.
they both suck, dude.
Why though? What makes you think that other than “in bad country it is bad” ?
What actual things do you know about this country that drives you to have such an emotional reaction? Do you have this reaction about any south american countries or african countries? Many of them are capitalist countries that are significantly worse off for their people. Why is your emotional reaction significantly different for this one in particular?
The answer is propaganda. Your assessment is not a levelheaded on based on any real educated understanding of the data in comparison with other countries. Your assessment is based on feels acquired through the popular beliefs. Guess where those popular beliefs come from? The same place yours have come from, with the same level of understanding that you have. It’s ignorant feels all the way down. Created by the strongest media propaganda machine ever devised in history.
Is any of this to say that it’s all fucking rosey over there? Fuck no. Most of us are not juche and believe in a mixed market approach like what is being undertaken in Cuba, Vietnam, or China. We mostly have large criticisms of the isolated approach. But does that mean we buy into all the bullshit spread in the west and perpetuate it uncritically? Also no. That’s what you’re seeing here. People countering the utterly ignorant western bullshit liberals spew isn’t an explicit endorsement of the country, but an attempt to get people to calm the fuck down about it and look at it in a more measured way.
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They genuinely are the good guys.
Read any books written by Bruce Cummings
You should move there and leave the internet to the rest of us then. Why keep hanging out in the giant propaganda machine, right?
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Uncritical support to the DPRK in its heroic struggle to rid occupied Korea of the genocidal US Empire. Uncritical support to the Juche ideology and its implementation.
Sorry, my bad.
“Best Korea” it is.
chronic food shortage stricken, ostracized North Korea “the Good Korea”
Yeah, nobody can be morally good if they’re poor and ostracized. Certainly not some guy who started a religion that underpins much of Western morality to this day.
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90% of Gazans experience severe food insecurity whereas 30% of israelis are obese. Whos the “good” country? the fat asses or the ones starving them?
hey look, they believe western propogandaUh oh folks we got ourselves a propaganda consumer!
Wild to me how many replies you’re getting that defend North Korea. A failed state that has a starving population with no freedoms and is completely ostracised from most of the world. By choice.
A failed state that has a starving population
This is not correct. Food security in the country has drastically improved and continues to improve - FAO data - Unicef data - both support this position.
By choice.
No? The reason it’s ostracised is a UN vote that was successfully passed that has never been challenged since because the DPRK is not in or allowed to join the UN, any attempt to would be immediately veto’d by the west. This is called 1718.
Wild to me how many replies you’re getting that defend North Korea
You see, this here is a problem. You consider simply stating factually true things that people are generally unaware of to be “defending north korea”. You live in ignorance and seek to maintain that ignorance in other people rather than view the situation in a more balanced and academic way.
the DPRK is not in or allowed to join the UN
The DPRK is in the UN. Unless you mean the UNSC, but even if it were in the UNSC they wouldn’t be able to challenge the blockade resolution.
Post was written at 4am. Genuinely not sure what I meant. No challenge can be made to resolution 1718 though because it includes the requirement for the DPRK to stop developing nuclear weapons and icbms, and that’s a non-option.
I’m not going to engage with someone who resorts to ad hominem attacks.
There is literally no “ad hominem” in that entire fucking comment, telling you that you don’t know about something (ignorance) is not ad hominem, dickhead. If you’re going to do reddit-tier debate-pervert shit to deliberately keep yourself in ignorance of factual information and stop yourself from ever learning anything then at least get your fucking debate-pervert shit correct.
This comment is ad hominem. Loser.
Ad hominem arguments are ones that dismiss your arguments based on insults or attacks on you personally, not just being insulting while making an argument against you.
The fact that you don’t know that (or can’t tell the difference between them) just demonstrates your ignorance, so in this particular instance they weren’t even being insulting, they were simply stating a fact.
You live in ignorance and seek to maintain that ignorance in other people
Quite literally the definition of argumentum ad hominem. Attacking my character as well as my motivations, neither of which are the subject of the discussion and are only being used in a fallacious way in an attempt to cement their argument. Their follow-up just demonstrates why it’s not worth the time to engage with someone who makes such fallacious bad faith arguments.
The preceding paragraphs were attacking my argument and would have made an interesting argument otherwise.
No, you dumbfuck, there is no argument attached to those insults. There is nothing in their comment saying that you are wrong because of your ignorance, which is what an ad hominem argument is - we are pointing out why you are wrong, and then calling you a lentil brained moron.
This is stuff they made me learn at school over 20 years ago as a 13 year old. You should be embarrased that you can’t even get the most basic fallacy right.
Is racism against Koreans allowed in Lemmy?
What’s our problem, Canada?
Don’t want to piss off the downstairs neighbours.
The yapping dog of American Empire.
Even more than it used to be. Canadian foreign policy regarding Iraq, Vietnam, and Cuba took a very different position to the US and was on the whole quite good (for a western country). But that was all decades ago. Practically speaking, Canada no longer has its own independent foreign policy.
I mean, we’re still friends with Cuba, and never did get involved in Iraq which wasn’t so long ago.
Even Europe and Oceania is onboard with this one, though. Don’t they usually abstain at least?
Conservatives push up more to the US than UK
It’s why we can’t get support behind CANZUK
We’re just America’s hat, what do you expect
What is Hungary doing, compensating for its stance on Ukraine ?
Being the thorn in everyone’s eye so everyone keeps paying us
Owning the EU libs, as Hungary do.
Viktor gets the slush funds from Russia and the spyware from Israel it makes sense for him
The settlements have always been recognized as illegal, but I guess its good to reaffirm it.
Its a war crime to move a civilian population into a military occupied region. This crime has been ongoing for decades.
You know it’s bad when even Germany is getting wise to the game
Yet Canada isn’t
To be fair, they had a Nazi in their parliament much more recently than the Germans had
Fuck, Canada you keep embarrassing me recently.
Dude fr idk what our government’s foreign policy goals even are.
Canada’s been an embarrassment its entire history, so nothing new.
We have some populists roping in the hillbillies right now. It’s amazing how well they’re weaponizing stupid and pushing our PM around.
Jesus fucking Christ even a majority of the anglosphere is opposing Isntrael
Times are a’changing
lmao even slava ukrani voted for it.
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Woohoo … Yeah … Canada vo … ???.. What the hell!
Apartheid regimes stick together. Canada did to First Nations what Israel aims to do to Palestinians.
Surprising Australia voted in favour this time
Wait the UK voted in favour? Literally just yesterday they were whining about Pro Palestinian marches in London. Then a bunch of right wing fuck nuggets turned up to fight to the pro Palestinian marches, except they turned up in the wrong place and ended up fighting the police instead.
I guess they realise their position is untenable on that point. The general public hate them and they know it.
They are not condemning Israel for the current assault on Gaza. They are condemning Israel for the settlements (which is a blatant war crime that has long been criticized by every country except Israel and the US iirc.
They are condemning Israel for the settlements
The illegal settlements that are one of the contributing factors that led to Hamas growing in support.
It’s becoming impossible to spin this as anything other than a genocide that the west is facilitating at this point.
Okay, now what are they going to do about it?
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The U.S spends more on military than the next 7 countries combined. It’d put up a good fight. Probably conquer Canada/Mexico in hours (I’d assume they would just concede the same way Paris/France conceded to the Nazis in WW2), and then we’d also have the advantage in Eurasia. We could nuke most of western Europe, and the only country that could really stop us is Russia because they also have a comparable number of nukes. If we successfully disarm them and are the sole nuclear super power in the world, I could see the U.S winning ww3 and becoming a global government.
We
USians stop identifying with those who rule over you Challenge Rating: um ackshully
If we successfully disarm them and are the sole nuclear super power in the world,
Sounds super easy
We need a
but with like a helmet on for people like thisI don’t support the U.S, and yeah I’ve been actively trying to move away from identifying as part of the U.S. Notice the first time I referred to it in my comment I called it “it”. Just a habit, sorry if I offended you though, that wasn’t my intention.
The main issue is if I say “they” instead of “we”, the vast majority of the internet assumes you’re from Europe. I want to convey I live in the United States without identifying as part of it.
The pentagon pays $5000 on a simple trash can. Paying more money is not a good thing. A f35 costs like $75 million dollars to build and they spend almost half their existence unable to fly.
USA’s military budget is 90% graft.
Lol
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Comment written with one hand under the table.
The next seven countries combined (the next eleven, in fact) are all in green in the above map. #12 is Canada, and every other country is either supporting this resolution or abstaining. The US could well win a third world war but it wouldn’t happen the way you say. Nukes won’t be used in conflicts by nation-states, only (and hopefully not) by rogue groups that get their hands on one. Nukes are a deterrent nowadays rather than a weapon.
I don’t trust that the U.S will always do the right thing with nukes. Maybe you have unwavering faith in the good heart of the imperialist core to never use nukes in conflicts, I’m not as trusting.
Canada is also still under the monarchy so it’s not like we could side with America against the world
