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    Trump’s going to pull out of NATO

    Good? NATO should have been dismantled when the Cold War ended.

    Even Angela Merkel and Emmanuel Macron wanted Europe to have its own army separate from NATO.

    and let Russia conquer Ukraine.

    If Russia wanted to conquer Ukraine, they would have done so already.

    I know I’ll be accused of being on Russia’s side for saying that, but I’m not. I’m just looking at the evidence.

    Russia has always described this conflict as a liberation of the Donbas. They took Donbas in just two weeks and since then have been mostly just maintaining their new borders.

    The media want us to think that Russia wants to annex Ukraine and the only reason they haven’t advanced is because the Ukraine army is so awesome. And yet this awesome Ukraine army hasn’t managed to retake any territory in two years.

    Trump has said he wants to round up immigrants

    He wants to deport illegal immigrants, which is the same thing the Democrats want. Biden’s rhetoric on immigration lately is just as hardline as Trump’s.

    Democrats chastised Trump for his “build a wall” chant, but the fact is that they supported building a wall until Trump did.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/democrats-were-for-a-wall-before-they-were-against-it/2019/01/10/9d114048-14f1-11e9-90a8-136fa44b80ba_story.html

    Here is Trump on homeless people:

    And what are Democrats going to do for homeless people? Are the Democrats going to launch a mass housing iniative for them?

    I don’t like that Trump’s brand is “being an asshole”, and I don’t like that 40% of Americans respond positively to that, but the fact is, the Democrats aren’t much different in practice. They’re just nicer about it.

    I’ve said this before (over on Reddit), but I actually think Trump was fairly good on international matters (he’s the only president in recent history who didn’t start any new wars), even though he was terrible on domestic matters.

    But even when it comes to domestic matters, he’s not substantially different enough from the Democrats to make me want to support Joe Biden after what Biden has done.

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      Good? NATO should have been dismantled when the Cold War ended.

      Putin wants to conquer Europe. This is bad. The ideology is essentially a version of manifest destiny where Russia expands westward until it consumes all of Europe. Also, of course the members of NATO need to maintain their armies.

      If Russia wanted to conquer Ukraine, they would have done so already.

      No, NATO countries have been supplying weapons to Ukraine.

      I know I’ll be accused of being on Russia’s side for saying that, but I’m not. I’m just looking at the evidence.

      Your argument should provide that evidence rather than pretending it exists. Russia’s fascist authoritarian dictatorship has led to military incompetence.

      Russia has always described this conflict as a liberation of the Donbas. They took Donbas in just two weeks and since then have been mostly just maintaining their new borders.

      Russia tried to take Kyiv and lost.

      The media want us to think that Russia wants to annex Ukraine and the only reason they haven’t advanced is because the Ukraine army is so awesome. And yet this awesome Ukraine army hasn’t managed to retake any territory in two years.

      Here are some maps that show what has actually happened in the war:

      https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60506682

      Ukraine retook territory by November 2022 which is in the last two years.

      Also, Ukraine only recently got the green light to strike into Russian territory. This is already having a huge impact on the war.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8qVOdygE2g

      He wants to deport illegal immigrants, which is the same thing the Democrats want. Biden’s rhetoric on immigration lately is just as hardline as Trump’s.

      Trump wants to round up 15 to 20 million people into camps and then deport them. The magnitude of this does not match what the Democrats want to do.

      I followed the link you posted in your argument. This is what I found:

      Barring some miraculous breakthrough, on Saturday the current government shutdown will become the longest in American history. But it has already hit another historic milestone: It is, by far and away, the stupidest government shutdown in American history. Sign up for a weekly roundup of thought-provoking ideas and debates

      In 2019, the federal government will spend a whopping $4.407 trillion. Yet Congress and the president are shutting down the government in a dispute between the $1.3 billion the Democrats have approved for border security and the $5.7 billion the president is demanding — the difference being precisely 0.0998 percent of the total federal budget. In Washington, that is considered a rounding error.

      This is about a government shutdown. Other than the misleading title, the Democrats do not want to build Trump’s border wall. Nor is this evidence that Democrats want to deport 15 to 20 million people.

      And what are Democrats going to do for homeless people? Are the Democrats going to launch a mass housing iniative for them?

      Newsom wants to doing something similar to what Trump has proposed, there’s a whole court case that has made it to the Supreme Court about breaking up homeless camps. The case started in Oregon, but has implications for California. But Newsom actually wants to provide housing and services to people. Newsom erroneously believes these need to be forced on people. When Trump talks about rounding homeless people up it’s to put them in death camps.

      https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/23/us/oregon-homelessness-case-supreme-court-california.html

      While well intentioned by Democrats, it’s going to backfire if Trump takes office. Under Trump, homeless people are going to end up in either prisons or death camps which will end up being the same thing.

      Trump seems to love the death penalty. This reporting suggests Trump wants to use firing squads.

      Democrats aren’t much different in practice. They’re just nicer about it.

      Neo-liberal Democrats wanting to maintain the status quo isn’t the nice version of christo-fascist Republicans wanting to kill millions of people.

      (he’s the only president in recent history who didn’t start any new wars)

      Trump emboldened Putin to continue his war. Trump emboldened Erdoğan to attack the Kurds. Trump emboldened the Taliban to retake Afghanistan. Trump not declaring war is not a measure of success. He destabilized the world the last time he was in office. Under another Trump term we are likely to see China invade Taiwan and North Korea invade South Korea.

      But even when it comes to domestic matters, he’s not substantially different enough from the Democrats to make me want to support Joe Biden after what Biden has done.

      Biden got an infrastructure deal done and has cancelled some student debt, among other things. This has a list Biden’s foreign and domestic accomplishments:

      https://www.upworthy.com/joe-biden-s-23-greatest-achievements-as-president-of-the-united-states-so-far

      As opposed to Trump’s crime spree:

      https://www.newsweek.com/full-list-donald-trumps-three-indictments-78-felony-charges-1816951

      Reviewing the evidence shows a stark difference between Biden, a neo-liberal, and Trump, a fascist. The difference between another Biden term and another Trump term is that millions of lives can be saved under another Biden term. Where as Trump will usher in a christo-fascist dictatorship that will end our democracy and destabilize the world. These are vastly different outcomes. edit: typo

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        Russia tried to take Kyiv and lost.

        Russia says the attack on Kyiv was to destroy munition supplies and wasn’t intended to be an occupation.

        I can’t know if that’s true or not, but Russia hasn’t tried any other attacks on Kyiv, so I’m tempted to believe it.

        Biden got an infrastructure deal done and has cancelled some student debt, among other things.

        Wow. In just four years. How inspiring.

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          Russia says the attack on Kyiv was to destroy munition supplies and wasn’t intended to be an occupation.

          That’s a lie.

          I can’t know if that’s true or not

          Google it. The truth is knowable.

          but Russia hasn’t tried any other attacks on Kyiv

          That’s because Russia is losing the war.

          so I’m tempted to believe it.

          Why would you want to believe the lies of a fascist dictatorship? Your argument boils down to mistaking Russia’s defeats at the hands of Ukraine as a nonexistent strategy.

          Wow. In just four years. How inspiring.

          Biden has accomplished everything with a razor thin majority in Congress in the first two years and then a Republican controlled House in the second two years. It’s impressive.

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            That’s because Russia is losing the war.

            So they’ve been telling us for the past two years while the front line has barely moved.

            Why would you want to believe the lies of a fascist dictatorship?

            It’s not a matter of what I want to believe. (To paraphrase Ben Shapiro, facts don’t care about my feelings.)

            There are two competing narratives out there, and one fits the evidence I can see while the other is getting increasingly hard to believe.

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              So they’ve been telling for the past two years while the front line has barely moved.

              I already debunked this false claim in my argument.

              It’s not a matter of what I want to believe. (To paraphrase Ben Shapiro, facts don’t care about my feelings.)

              Facts can’t care about anything. Being tempted implies you want the thing that is being offered. I want to know why you would want to be lied to, because it’s a weird thing to want. Also, your argument provides no facts and misrepresents Russian defeats by Ukraine as strategy that Russia does not have.

              There are two competing narratives out there, and one fits the evidence I can see while the other is getting increasingly hard to believe.

              There is the truth and Russian propaganda. Your argument has no evidence to support it.

              Also, to bring this discussion back to the original topic at hand, Biden is a neo-liberal and Trump is a fascist. They are not the same. Thus it is reasonable that a group that is against Trump’s fascist MAGA movement is anti-fascist.