It all started with the unofficial godot discord admin dealing with some chuds and people turning their ire towards the Godot Foundation staff instead.
Since Godot has stubbornly remained on the Xitter nazi bar as a valid space for PR and social media interaction and dared to promote the Wokot hashtag and reiterate their progessiveness, the reactionaries infesting that space are now piling on their socials and harassing everyone they can get their eyes on.
Examples
- https://x.com/LifeArtStudios/status/1840230152254509067
- https://x.com/Grummz/status/1840162056928145740
- https://x.com/madewithgodot/status/1841118786964840618
Anyway, solidarity with the targets of harassment. I hope they finally realize that Xitter is a lost cause.
Update: Godot is being review-bombed
Fortunately the reactionary backlash seems to be having the opposite effect
Open source software is the wokest shit possible… It’s pretty much digital communism run by the gayest furries you’ll ever meet.
I can’t tell if you intent this as a positive or a negative, but it very much an accurate assessment.
It’s actually really funny to see review bomb attempts on a non-profit FOSS project. No shareholders to appease, no profits to they need to protect, just a community of people contributing to the tool they use.
I’d say, it’s a bit concerning since review bombing can turn away people who are uncertain about using Godot, or donating to it.
I would be curious how many people in that boat find themselves looking at steam reviews in order to make a decision. It didn’t even occur to me until this happened that the reviews exist.
I also did not know the page existed
Woke is interestingly becoming a word that can easily trigger and be used to troll conservatives.
My favourite thing is asking them to define woke.
I woke up this morning.
Angry fascist noises
My favourite thing is asking them to define woke.
IMHO, you are woke if you exclude/damage who does not think exactly like you, and later also who thinks like you but he/she is not excluding/damaging the people you put in the black-list.
So it is a rather toxic and dangerous movement, resembling a little the Reign of Terror in France.
Woke is an adjective derived from African-American Vernacular English originally meaning alertness to racial prejudice and discrimination. Beginning in the 2010s, it came to be used as slang for a broader awareness of social inequalities such as racial injustice, sexism, and denial of LGBT rights
What are you on about?
We already have a word for that, it’s called tribalism.
@mzan @Grandwolf319 So…The KKK is woke by your definition?
The definition was incomplete and a provocation. KKK acted in the name of white supremacy, while woke acts in the name of Social Justice. Obviously woke culture is a lot lot lot less violent of KKK. KKK were criminals. With woke culture at maximum you will do some years in prison due to false accusations, because you should “believe all women”, or you will loose the job, and you will never find similar jobs, for some nasty comment you done on some platform when you were a teenager… It can be compared also to McCarthyism.
In any case, the negative part of woke culture is the fanatism. Without the fanatism aspect, I will call a woke, an activist into social justice themes. I like activists. I’m scared from fanatics.
Oh, here comes the enlightened centrist! 🤣🤣🤣
Someone should make a game that ticks all the"woke" boxes just to piss these guys off. Make pronouns one of the most important part of the game, and force people to be gay, or Bi. Then make it so men have to wear womens clothes and women have to wear mens clothes. Then you can sit back and watch them lose their shit while eating popcorn. 😏
Let the fascist idiots stay with predatory tech like Unity. Fuck 'em all. Conservatives make shit games; they can stick with shit middleware.
Fortunately the reactionary backlash seems to be having the opposite effect
That’s good I suppose.
I don’t care what happens on Twitter. Just so long as the codebase isn’t negatively affected.
I have been seeing some drama YouTubers, who are clearly blowing this out of proportion, talk a lot about this. One thing they’ve been saying that concerns me however, is that apparently there have been people getting banned from help forums and even the GitHub for criticism.
My understanding is that “woke” is a loosely defined political term, so I think requesting Godot be kept free from politics in response to this stuff isn’t something that should require a ban.
Perhaps there were people going too far and getting rightfully banned and some innocent people got caught in the crossfire?
There shouldn’t be any way the MIT license can discriminate between “woke” and “anti-woke”. Godot can be used by everyone. This is just making the drama people lose their credibility. Regardless of what the devs views on this situation are, I could never expect them to come to a decision on this issue so quickly. Let alone act on it. Their main priority should be the code, not the community. Unofficial communities can pop up on their own and self govern.
My understanding is that “woke” is a loosely defined political term, so I think requesting Godot be kept free from politics in response to this stuff isn’t something that should require a ban.
I’m a bit 50/50 on that. If they got kinda harassed to the point where they take a simple stance as they did, then saying “please stop being political” is often used as a thin veiled attempt to say “I don’t like your politics” by the people who get so hard triggered by that term, and women, and LGBT stuff, and people of color, etc.
We can see this all the time in other areas too, especially gaming. As soon as a game has a female main character, or even a female main character that isn’t white, or even one that is lesbian or bi, then uppercase Gamers collectively lose their shit. Say something about Nazis? Or Russia? “HoW DaRe YoU BrInG PoLiTiCs InTo MY GaMes!” …
Not saying that was the guy’s intend when he replied that to Godot, but I can see how it could be interpreted as such when they get brigaded by a bunch of toxic replies.
This never crossed my mind, but you are right. Online interactions do lack a lot of context, and it must have been hard (or practically impossible) to discern genuine from malicious calls to remain apolitical in a situation of intense online harassment.
That’s why it’s considered good practice to act on the presumption of innocence until proven guilty.
I long for the days when people didn’t call any concept they disagreed with “political.”
Nice to see some figures on the change in support levels. I was donating €5 a month and I’ve bumped it up to €50 for the next few months.
I get the impression that a lot of the people complaining on twitter are not even gamedevs and don’t know what Godot is, it’s just the reactionary pile-on du jour.
Unsurprisingly most gamedevs, at least the ones that make good games, are either minorities themselves, or positive to their/our plight
After all, the best art isn’t made by the people who enshrine conservative ideals
a lot of the people complaining on twitter are not even gamedevs and don’t know what Godot is
You’re probably right. Homophobes aren’t the brightest of the bunch.
… since when did the project have customers lol?
is a service or product receiver only a customer if they are paying money?
I wouldn’t say it has to be money. Just that it has to be a formal exchange. I’d say the open source donation model is more “informal”.
I guess technically businesses like Microsoft were customers; I think there was something about them paying Godot to support C#.
Time for Godot to get off Twitter.
Considering game devs are intimately aware of review bombing, I really doubt that it will have much negative effect on their userbase. I guess the next Alex Jones game wont use godot.
You’d think so, but fascists are generally cheap and will happily use whatever they can that’s made by liberals and leftists. See mastodon being created because of a rumor of Peter Theil buying it and then it’s code was used to run Truth social.
The remark is about how few conservative games there even are. Most games I can think of either lean left or have no political commentary in them.
Conservatives aren’t intelligent and making games is hard
Finally a place I can share my cold takes. (I’m not on Twitter, I won’t discuss this on Reddit either.)
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The community manager had a meltdown and blocking everyone was a power trip and was wrong.
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Godot’s tweet was wrong, because it used the word “woke” which immediately drives any conversation into the gutter. Doesn’t matter if you’re on the right or left, as soon as you say the word “woke” you have ruined the conversation.
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It is good that Godot explicitly supports LGBT+ people. They should be welcome. The community CoC should make this explicit, and it does. A tweet to reaffirm this is fine, a cringe joke born from the dredges of Twitter is less fine.
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Godot’s “revenge forks” are amusing and will not go anywhere. Someone might collect some donations before grifting into the night though.
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None of this has any effect on Godot’s technical suitability for creating a game.
Revenge fork is a weird name for these forks. A fork is a fork, even a tiny change like changing the logo is a legitimate fork.
If anything if the Godot community could stop harassing the fork owners, that would be great. Them receiving harassment is the most ironic part about this, because there is more proof of that than the harassment the Godot community manager claims they faced.
as soon as you say the word “woke” you have ruined the conversation.
And as soon as you have “banned” a word from conversation regardless of context, you have ruined your credibility (in my eyes, obviously).
I mean, there are plenty of words that are used almost exclusively to cause offensive. Swears and slurs. Often it can be debatable whether or not a word counts as a swear or slur, but it’s usually pretty clear. I prefer to avoid using words that are intended to cause offence.
The word “woke” doesn’t seem to fall into these categories, but it’s still a term that seems to have been polarised by both groups. I don’t think that word would ruin a discussion that was already political, but it would definitely cause a discussion to become political.
As far as one group is concerned, being “woke” is inherently good and means being aware of modern issues and accepting of marginalised groups.
As far as the other is concerned, being “woke” is requiring all media to have this representation and lashing out when it isn’t inserted in a certain way; thus, you can be supportive of lgbt+ rights and the rights of marginalised groups while still being vehemently “anti woke”.Because of this conflict in definitions it’s understandable that the Twitter manager might want to use this term, and it’s understandable that people would be against it.
I feel the polarisation of this term may be being done for the drama people on both sides to farm engagement.
“Woke” is a problem because people have different definitions, and no matter what Webster or any other authority says the definition is, people will continue to have differing definitions.
How can we reach understanding when we don’t even agree on the definition of words?
This is way to nuanced to deal with on fucking Twitter. If you use the word “woke” on Twitter, expect a lot of misunderstanding, talking past each other, and bad faith arguments to follow.
I did not suggest banning any words.
To understand why I’m opposed to the word “woke”, you must first acknowledge this fact:
Sometimes people have different definitions of the same word.
If you’re willing to accept that, then it logically follows that using a word that people have different definitions of will cause more confusion than understanding. If our goal in speaking is to convey understanding, then that is best accomplished by avoiding words where people have conflicting definitions.
We’ve all learned that there are facts and opinions, but there is a third category: definitions.
If you watch for it, you will see that many disagreements boil down to nothing more than disagreeing about the definition of a single word. If we temporarily avoid using that word, suddenly we find ourselves in agreement, or at least having a better understanding of each other.
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Tbh I’m not sure what your examples are supposed to demonstrate. Blocking someone for saying they should focus on the engine and not politics is astonishingly thin skinned
Kind of hard to follow the thread of most of this but they sure aren’t disproving how woke they are by blocking people who even slightly disagree with them.
Also it’s just “X” not “Xitter”.
they sure aren’t disproving how woke they are
Why do you think that they need to be doing this?
Because being woke is generally considered to be a bad thing? (Even if people disagree about what counts as woke.)
If you want to take your emotions out of it, remember “political correctness gone mad”? That’s basically the 90s “woke” and nobody would aspire to it.
Because being woke is generally considered to be a bad thing?
No. Being woke is only considered bad in toxic echo chambers where they’ve tried to poison the word.
Most people who self report as “anti-woke” repeat infectious and carefully crafted but fallacious talking points whenever the term “woke” is said.
But if you bring up a situation where a minority is getting the bad end of the stick and they agree with you that it’s bad, they don’t realise that they themselves are being woke. They agree with being woke so long as the label “woke” isn’t used. It’s when you point that out that they start to realise that they’ve been poisoned against the term.
Being woke simply means that some people don’t often get the same affordances as others.
If you accept the general fact that women tend to get paid less for the same amount of work, then you’re woke.
If you accept the general fact that black people might not get hired if a person doing the hiring is racist, then you’re woke.
If you accept the general fact that some people have to hide the fact that they’re not heterosexual in some countries otherwise they’ll suffer the death penalty, then you’re woke.
Being woke simply means that some people don’t often get the same affordances as others.
See I think that’s not what the “anti-woke” people think it means. Turning to urban dictionary, they’re using this definition:
Umbrella term for individuals who are engrossed by social justice and thinks of themselves as saviors with a moral high ground, but remain willfully ignorant to the irrationality of their claims and the problems they create. These individuals give special treatment to certain minorities in hopes of ending racism and perpetuate mental illnesses as the norm.
Irrespective of whether or not anyone actually is woke, I hope you agree that it wouldn’t be a good thing (according to that definition).
See I think that’s not what the “anti-woke” people think it means.
That’s exactly what I pointed out. The people who provide them their information are actively trying to poison the word to the point that it means something else. But it doesn’t, because the poisoning only works in the echo chambers that spread that information.
Turning to urban dictionary, they’re using this definition: […]
That would be one of the attempts to poison the word. It’s worth pointing out that anyone can add a definition to urban dictionary and it’s quite often that trolls try to overwhelm existing definitions on there.
[…] (according to that definition).
That comes back to what I said before. People who self report as anti-woke are against anything that uses the label “woke”, until they look at what’s under the label and they realise they aren’t against any of the points the “woke” labelled thing is doing.
They’re not actually anti-woke, they’re anti-incorrect-label.
I think you’re in your own echo chamber. It’s not an attempt to poison the word, that’s just how its meaning has gradually evolved.
If you ask the general public - not far left people on Twitter - I think they would be more likely to agree with the definition I linked rather than the original definition (you have "woke"n up to social injustice, which is obviously a good thing).
(I’ll except the “perpetuate mental illnesses as the norm” bit - I think that is veering into the far right rather than what the man on the Clapham omnibus actually thinks.)
Also it’s just “X” not “Xitter”.
Same energy
This has nothing to do with Musk. Honestly these kinds of dismissive comments just make everyone else seem more reasonable.
