• inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    I mean if Europe wants to increase their military funding and move items in house I think that would be a wonderful idea. Because America is not a reliable partner in this at all in the past two decades.

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      2 months ago

      If Europe gets into a war of course the US will help. But the same can’t really be said if the US gets into a war. The rest of NATO needs to be able to hold the fort if the US were to get suddenly …distracted in the Pacific

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        2 months ago

        If Europe gets into a war of course the US will help.

        How sure are you of that? Sure, if Russia marches towards the Atlantic Ocean, but if Russia decides to create a security buffer zone in Finland? Or the Baltic countries?

        NATO has only survived for as long because of the commitment of the US. Come January NATO is dead as well as a sovereign Ukraine.

  • bouh@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    The biggest thing will be all those nato countries who can’t do anything with their US weapons if the US says so.

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      2 months ago

      That is only if they want to continue to buy new weapons, not if they intend to male weapons in Europe

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        2 months ago

        No. I mean the weapons they have now. F35 for example. If a war happens in Europe, will those planes be useful without US support and authorizations? US can do a lot of harm to Europe with that.

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          2 months ago

          Yes let me explain my answer I didn’t elaborate properly.

          I think the only recourse the US has if European countries use these weapons without authorization is that the US will not sell more weapons.

          And if Europe continues to intreases it’s weapon and ammunition production like they have the last two years that might not be a deal breaker for Europe

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            2 months ago

            I’m not sure Europe can make F35 parts for example, which will not fly for long without it, or ammunitions for various US weapons. I hope it’ll be a wake up call to make and use EU instead.

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              2 months ago

              Just my two cents as an assembly line guy: Parts on aircraft fall into three categories

              -Big custom fuckoff parts. They’re not high tech but they’re huge and they’re a specific shape so you need a huge, precise and very expensive mould/die/whatever to make them. Anyone with the aircraft and a decent engineer could design a machine to make these parts but they would be left with a smoking crater where their wallet was after getting the mould made.

              -Easy parts. Sure, an aircraft fuel pipe is worth 20k, but the civilian parts are made to higher standards anyways, we can find one no problem.

              -Secret technical complex parts. Proprietary cutting edge stuff, which is frankly just bolted onto already complete aircraft. Obviously you can’t replace it if you don’t even know how it works, but the US doesn’t let that stuff out of their direct control very often anyways.

              Don’t fucking talk to me about engines though, those are a whole different beast

              TLDR: We can totally keep our F35s in the air as long as the parts we’re replacing aren’t the skin panels, the engines, or the Secret Third Thing. And as long as we have the money.

  • MrMakabar@slrpnk.net
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    Hopefully the EU takes over. It has a lot more economic strength then NATO. Also the UK is strong as well, but that can be managed. Turkey does its own things anyway and I would not trust them. Norway and Iceland are not that important. Canada is going to go with the US anyway. The advantage is easier common funding for projects, due to the EU having more direct access to money. There are also a lot of the basics in the works already.

  • Chee_Koala@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    It seems like a very real possibility. A new, EU followup seems like a natural next step to protect the borders and peace.

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      2 months ago

      It is the Fourth Reich

      Oh wait, that's just post-WW2 West Germany

      There were more Nazis in West Germany’s justice department after WWII than during Third Reich

      Fully 77 percent of senior ministry officials in 1957 were former members of Adolf Hitler’s Nazi party, a higher proportion even than during the 1933-45 Third Reich, the study found.

      Nazis in post-WW2 Germany’s government

      From 1949 to 1973, 90 of the 170 leading lawyers and judges in the then-West German Justice Ministry had been members of the Nazi Party.

      Of those 90 officials, 34 had been members of the Sturmabteilung (SA), Nazi Party paramilitaries who aided Hitler’s rise and took part in Kristallnacht, a night of violence that is believed to have left 91 Jewish people dead.

  • humanspiral@lemmy.ca
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    NATO colonies deserve their freedom. They need a backbone to stop being US slaves, and Trump demeaning demand terms, is an opportunity for that backbone. It is categorically absurd that Russia threatens to invade current NATO members, and the idiocy of continuing a war on Russia needs to be more obvious to the colonies.