What is Defederation?

Defederation means we have disconnected our instance from another, and users from our instance will no longer be able to see anything (communities, posts or comments) coming from it, and their users won’t be able to see anything coming from ours.

What will get an Instance Defederated?

Our goal is to avoid defederation, but we will do so under the following circumstances:

  • The instance spreads overwhelming amounts of drama, hate or negativity.

  • The instance is mostly made up bots, and or promotes spam.

  • The instance allows the harassment or doxxing of others.

  • The instance knowingly hosts CSAM or other illegal content.

Has FMHY Defederated Instances?

Only two, both for breaking the 1st rule above:

  • exploding-heads

  • lemmygrad

Things to Note:

  • There are circumstances where we may block a specific community within an instance, rather than blocking the entire instance itself, but this is very uncommon.

  • Remember that if there’s a community you don’t like, you can block it entirely in settings.

  • Keep in mind that our goal is to keep this community safe, so if you see something that breaks our rules please don’t hesitate to report it.

  • If its something urgent, you can always contact us easily via Divolt 💬. Its connected to our discord, so there are mods online 24/7.

  • jray4559@lemmy.fmhy.ml
    2·
    1 year ago

    I would have preferred to have a no-defederation policy (except for maybe threads due to EEE fears), but as long as it is not swung around constantly, I am okay with it.

    The two that are blocked are political circlejerks that I personally dislike anyways. I am hopeful there is not more.

        • UncouthDude@lemmy.fmhy.ml
          0·
          1 year ago

          Just curious, how could Meta EEE in the case of the fediverse/ lemmy? As in, technically how does them joining as an instance affect others whether they’re blocked or not?

          And what advantages would there be to preemptively devederating instead of waiting or leaving it to users?

          I’m kind of hoping Threads can lend credibility/ momentum to the fediverse so if I’m missing something about how they could negatively impact it I’m earnestly interested.

          • jray4559@lemmy.fmhy.ml
            01·
            1 year ago

            Centralization. Meta will develop the fediverse protocol up with their own specific enhancements, locking most of us onto their version of the platform due to convenience given enough time. (Think RCS as an example, it’s technically an open standard but Google has effective control of it thanks to special features)

            You might say “Well, if they are a better platform, so what, why not go there”, but the problem is that they can cut off the rest of the fediverse as “outdated” essentially privatizing everybody.

  • ziggurism@lemmy.fmhy.ml
    2·
    1 year ago

    The hysterics over the as yet purely hypothetical prospect of Facebook/Threads being on the fediverse, along with some worrying signs of censorship, have caused me to to flee lemmy.world. Here’s hoping FMHY will be a better fit for me.

    • kuna@lemmy.fmhy.mlEnglish
      12·
      1 year ago

      Threads already violates rules 1 and 3, hosting people who escalated their harrassment into real life multiple times already, so I hope the decision to block them (should they ever choose to federate) is a no-brainer to FMHY admins.

      • ziggurism@lemmy.fmhy.ml
        1·
        1 year ago

        How is threads more overwhelmingly negative or tolerant of doxxing than other major platforms? Like what is the basis for your comment?

        • kuna@lemmy.fmhy.ml
          0·
          1 year ago

          Threads is owned by Meta, which:

          If your point is that Meta is no worse than Twitter or whatever other corporate media, then whatever, I’m not really interested in discussions about whether it’s better to come down with plague or leprosy. They all suck.

          If your point is that Threads itself isn’t technically compilicit in anything yet after being up for 10 days, then I think that’s pretty naive.

          • ziggurism@lemmy.fmhy.ml
            1·
            1 year ago

            You cited rule 1, which is

            The instance spreads overwhelming amounts of drama, hate or negativity.

            And rule 3

            The instance allows the harassment or doxxing of others.

            So the question is whether the fediverse instance Threads has done the bad actions.

            You are arguing for a preemptive defederation based on the actions of the corporate parent having nothing to do with content on the instance in question.

            Since libsoftiktok is on Twitter not Facebook, it seems you want to be defederated from Threads based on the actions of not just Meta, but also Musk’s Twitter.

            I mean it’s an argument, and many agree with it. Many instances have already defederated threads.net. but it’s certainly not in the rules cited in this post.

              • ziggurism@lemmy.fmhy.ml
                1·
                1 year ago

                Wait. Threads requires an instagram account. How can libsoftiktok be on threads if she is permabanned from IG.

                Are you even sure this is true or is this just a rumor that you’re repeating?

                Edit: there does appear to be an account called libsoftiktokofficial. Not sure whether it’s really Chaya but it has plenty of anti-trans propaganda

              • ziggurism@lemmy.fmhy.ml
                1·
                1 year ago

                Libsoftiktok started on Twitter. And while she did have an instagram account, it was banned from both instagram and Facebook, while the Twitter account had its shadowban lifted after Musk took over.

                Given that Meta is presenting Threads as Twitter, but “sanely run”, and that libsoftiktok has already been permabanned twice, it seems likely that she will also be banned from Threads. Certainly this is a weird point to hang your case for defederating Threads on.

          • ziggurism@lemmy.fmhy.ml
            1·
            1 year ago

            Also if you’re gonna mention genocides that Facebook is complicit with, don’t forget the Rohingya genocide

  • nekat_emanresu@lemmy.ml
    1·
    1 year ago

    I really like that you are codifying policy like this.

    The “instance is mostly made up by bots” is obviously a great call but your wording makes it sound like <50% bots is cool, >50% bots is not cool. haha

  • rbits@lemmy.fmhy.ml
    0·
    1 year ago

    Yes, very cool. And about Threads, I will probably block Threads myself just because it’s a twitter clone, it doesn’t need to be on lemmy. But people should be able to make that decision themselves.

    • iorale@lemmy.fmhy.ml
      01·
      1 year ago

      I think preemtive defederation/blocking from Threads is the most logical decision for every instance since we are talking about a known hostile company, not something new testing the waters that nobody knows how it will behave, it’s Meta being Meta (even if they are trying to hide it behind the “by Instagram” slogan).

    • pensivepangolin@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      1 year ago

      Out of curiosity, what’s the deal with exploding-heads? I keep seeing them referenced negatively all over several instances.

      Edit: thanks for all the replies! I’ve got it now hahaha

      • Supermariofan67@lemmy.fmhy.mlEnglish
        1·
        1 year ago

        At first I thought it was just some edgy troll community, but it didn’t take long for me to find a fairly upvoted comment saying “look, I just don’t like immigrants” or something like that. So yeah, seems like that kind of place over there…

  • Maebbie@kbin.social
    0·
    1 year ago

    defederate enough and people will switch, much less friction to just go to a more open instance. much better than what we had with centralized sites.

    • Zorque@kbin.social
      1·
      1 year ago

      Don’t defederate enough and people will switch to a less objectionable instance.

      It’s a balancing act.