Well akshually, a polar bear and pinguin could never meet due to the fact that they life at opposite places 🤓🤓
Thanks for being that guy so I didn’t have to.
You’re welcome, but I did nothing
The zoo?
Found the Arch user
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I didn’t think these people were real until I had to explain to one very carefully that I do not have time nor the want to fuck with Arch and Ubuntu works for me when I was asking a simple display IT question on Reddit.
Personally use PopOS, I got a need to game, if I really wanna tinker it’s always there if I want to. But I need an entertainment OS for my living room not a pet project.
PopOS gaming was a shit show for me, steam wouldn’t work and installing non free drivers borked my system like it was Ubuntu 12.04. I honestly don’t have any idea what PopOS does that others don’t for gaming, steam/wine/lutris/bottles are distribution agnostic. I’ve only ever heard people say PopOS for gaming but never seen anything showing why it’s better.
Full disclosure this was a while ago and I’ve gone separate ways with Debian and derivatives for now.
What are you using now?
What PopOS’ did different was not any of the software you mentioned. It was proprietary NVIDIA drivers. They shipped them with the ISO and put it front and center.
I’m onto fedora silverblue now since I like rpm-ostree. I’ve moved from laptop to desktop since then too, which could have colored my experience.
PopOS gaming was a shit show
Haha! PoopOS! Haha!
Sounds like something you might say if you hadn’t used Arch to daily drive? I’m about to hop off Lemmy and play some ff7 remake which cost me exactly no effort to install. Maybe arch used to be hard, but I’ve yet to see it and I built from minimal install. Meta packages yo.
It’s really not that bad
But also, you’re fine anyways. Use what you want
Yeah, I need more of an all 'rounder, but Linux choice is all about use cases. Ubuntu is just so bog standard I can set it and forget it for most things and I appreciate that.
I mean, currently I’m having less trouble using Arch to game than I was with anything else. I think the big thing is that Aech has a rapid release of updates, and the Steamdeck is based on Arch.
If you want those benefits without a lot of the annoying complexity during setup, there is always EndeavorOS. It’s pretty close to a basic Arch install, but it holds your hand a lot more.
Sounds exactly like what I’m looking for.
I have my old pc parts that I want to turn into a living room coop gaming system and have been looking for a linux version that’s minimal to run.
Have you encountered any issues like the other response?
Btw I have 0 experience with Linux and thought it would be a good project to get introduced.
I would suggest ubuntu for a 0 xp user, it just works. However popos is pretty easy to use as well.
My last ubuntu install it detected my 1660 and gave me an option for the proprietary drivers.
It is also easy to create bootable uses and try each one first using balena etcher or unetbootin.
That sucks man. There needs to be less division and derision in the Linux community. Not that there is a lot, but there is enough to drive some people away. It’s not as easy as windows to daily drive Linux. It is SO MUCH better than it used to be, but it still isn’t something you can just dump on a family member or friend and expect to not get calls about it.
And worse, it isn’t the same for almost anyone. I’ve had good luck with Arch derivatives (Manjaro and Garuda), but I’ve got friends that tried running the exact same OS and build etc. on very similar hardware and can’t get half the games working that I play regularly with minimal effort - even following the same steps I used with no issues. They install Ubuntu or Mint and suddenly it works fine… Happy it works, but none of us know why or what to do if something similar happens next time…
And somehow, it seems every problem any of us runs into are so bizarre (or we don’t know enough “likely causes” to google specific and correct terminology) that it seems like no one on the internet has ever had it happen before. Thankfully it’s been going great for me, but one of my friends is just having a rough time of it. :(
TL;DR - Thank you to all the actually helpful people in the Linux community that make this journey possible for the rest of us. To the people being dicks: if you have to swing down constantly to feel good, re-evaluate your life choices and leave us out of it.
Nah. Ubuntu is what you use after you’ve gone through your edgy youth distro-as-status-symbol phase and don’t give a fuck anymore.
I haven’t distro-hopped or even reinstalled my OS in half a decade or more.
Exactly. I mean I installed it once upon a time on my server because it was well supported and most hardware I had just worked. I cut my teeth on Linux by using Ubuntu, so I’m familiar with where I’m going to have trouble and how to troubleshoot it if I do. I can tear down and setup a new Ubuntu server over a weekend if I wanted to and transfer all my stuff, but not if I had to switch distros. I could do it, but I’d rather not spend the extra time. Maybe I’m lazy, but I’m no noob. At this point for me, hopping distros is just a matter of the devil you know vs. the devil you don’t. I’ve got more important things to DO with my machine and life than spend it fucking with and constantly breaking/fixing my setup. So, from what I’ve heard about it, Arch is everything that is holding back Linux on the desktop and everything I don’t want in an OS unless I’m getting paid by the hour.
The first Linux distro I ever tried was a copy of Turbolinux 6 I got from a Hamfest (I wasn’t successful in installing it), I used Gentoo in college [embarrassingly large number redacted] years ago (along with Debian and OS X on other computers), and I tend to prefer Debian most of the time.
I didn’t try Ubuntu until I’d already been using Linux for more than a decade, and the only reason it ended up on my main machine is simply that Debian didn’t 100% “just work” on my hardware and I couldn’t be bothered even trying to troubleshoot it, so I picked the next closest thing.
Those kinds of people suck, the whole point of owning a thing is to enjoy it, if it makes you happy who gives a damn that us arch users will think less of you.
As an arch user btw you got me in the first half ngl
I like my Linux to work out of the box.
Yes ik I’m spoiled now
I suppose you want your audio drivers to work the first time too? The nerve of some people smh
Kids nowadays. Back in my day we had to fiddle with the code blind while we figured out the display drivers
You mean you don’t want to have to fuck around with wifi drivers for half an hour?
Casual. /s
Clearly you have never built Linux from source or installed slackware in floppy disks. Nooooooobs
You noob, clearly you haven’t coded your entire distro in machine language and assembly.
Honestly, I think installing a Linux distro from floppies is what made me appreciate Ubuntu so much.
I know that other distros also work out the box now, but I’m just really happy installing one and never needing to try anything else.
Arch user, btw. Isn’t Ubuntu going to an all-Snaps version? If so, shouldn’t the polar bear be extra bloated?
It’s not bloat, it’s for the extreme cold
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Tell me you’re new to Linux without telling me you’re new to Linux.
I’m an Ubuntu-user. My wife and myself have a Windows laptop from work and my kids also from school. Not to have to buy another laptop for personal use I made an Ubuntu-usb-stick to boot from any of these four available laptops. I’m not a power user. I need some office-apps, web-browser, … . And gaming is done via Gforce-Now cloud gaming. If that makes me a noob 🙂 I mostly don’t have the time anymore to tinker with all this anymore. Been there, done that.
You’re doing just fine. Use. The tools you want when you want.
That’s nice. Be sure to set appropriate flags to mount the USB (e.g. in fstab file) to prolong it’s life span. The thumb drive could deteriorate rather quickly otherwise.
See: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Install_Arch_Linux_on_a_removable_medium#Minimizing_disk_access
Edit: typo
Reading the article, it seems like the configuration of the fstab-file needs to be done at creating the bootable usb-stick? Or can it also be modified afterwards?
Doesn’t Ubuntu have a metric shit ton of legitimate problems these days? I thought people had mostly moved away from it as the go to distro
Yeah as far as I can tell, the current big user-friendly distros are either PopOS or Linux Mint because Ubuntu is doing the whole snap thing, and also Mint (maybe Pop too, i havent looked into that one much) is Ubuntu-based just without snap
Nope. You’re just hearing the loud noises in some echo chambers. Us Ubuntu users don’t have much to say because shit just works over here.
Are snaps hard to avoid?
To avoid them entirely, yes. Ubuntu ships some of its core functionality via snap. That’s how it was tested, and how it will be updated for the foreseeable future. Ripping that out puts you on an untested path that you’re responsible for managing. To keep things working as designed and tested, and avoid breakage, I’d leave snap alone and pretend it doesn’t exist, if I wanted to avoid it.
To avoid them for your personal needs, no they’re not hard to avoid. Just don’t install anything yourself via Snap. Use apt, Flatpak instead. Or any other means.
Personally I use a mix of Snap and Flatpak on top of Ubuntu LTS. That keeps the base OS boring stable and provides a way to keep user apps like GIMP, Inkscape and LibreOffice up to date, without the risk of breakage that comes with PPAs. Docker’s great for running services as well as many other use cases too.
To avoid them for your personal needs, no they’re not hard to avoid. Just don’t install anything yourself via Snap. Use apt, Flatpak instead. Or any other means.
Not entirely accurate. Some apt packages like firefox and chromium just install the corresponding snap.
Snap has it’s use cases, but it should not be a silent substitute for .debs
Yes that’s true and in my opinion perfectly fine. As a developer who’s done some deb packaging work, that’s how I’d migrate from a deb to snap in order to minimize breakage on upgrade, especially if I’m no longer supporting the deb. This strategy also keeps compatibility with scripts that
apt install firefoxwhich would otherwise break on upgrade from 20.04 to 22.04. It’s a pretty elegant way to do it.I can see using snaps when the alternative is to break things. But mozilla team is already packaging as .deb for ubuntu available through the mozillateam ppa.
This seems to be canonical arbitrarily injecting the snap store as a dependency for firefox with no clear benefit and noticeable performance issues
I don’t know who packages what and what the SLAs for each is. That is, who makes the snap, who makes the debs in the mozillateam PPA, is it the same people, are they different with different mandates. What is the security patch expectation for the snap and deb. I suspect that there’s a difference there. From purely technical perspective, building a single snap is probably less time and work than building 5 debs, one for each supported Ubuntu release. What we know for sure however is that Ubuntu comes with a security patch expectation for the packages in the base OS along with varying expectations for the packages in the different Ubuntu repositories - main, universe, multiverse, etc. The snap version of Firefox falls under this umbrella. The mozillateam PPA does not. Maybe the latter is also patched as quickly. For users who can’t or don’t want to think about those important details, whatever is shipped with Ubuntu is probably the safest bet, especially when we’re discussing possibly the largest attack surface on end user systems - the internet browser.
Snaps have borked my device table, now lsblk lists every single fucking snap install. I will get a new SSD for my system partition, and I’ll probably go with Debian. If I have to deliberately avoid an OS feature because the vendor has decided to shove it down my throat I will drop that OS like it’s hot.
I’m just learning Linux so I literally Googled the easiest version and installed Ubuntu. I can’t even figure out folder permissions. I’m in over my head, but at least I’m also getting made fun of.
Ubuntu is where most of us start, so fortunately there is a lot of help! Don’t worry, you’ll get the hang of it in time. It’s not hard, it’s just complicated because it’s introducing a lot of new things. I put Linux on a whim on my laptop and after two years I have started to convert everything over. I learned to appreciate an OS that does what I tell it and not assume what I want to do. I choose Ubuntu because it’s what I knew from the computer labs at college ten years ago when I needed to print things. I’ve tried others, but it just works.
You will learn, it just takes time, even those fanboys didn’t know anything about chmod when they started, and some of them install Arch and end up running back to windows because they started on hard mode.
Just use the distro that fits your needs.
Dude, I’ve been messing with this stuff for a decade and permissions still get me sometimes. If something is breaking, always do a check on permissions. It’s often the issue.
Just 777 it, then it always works
I use Arch btw
Why is the penguin passing a dildo over to the bear in the first pic?
Tried arch today. Didn’t even get to installing it on the partition. Pacman just won’t sync extra repo. No chance of letting reflector do it’s thing. Nobody seemed to have the exact same problem before. Mostly found half- or unanswered threads from before 1876. Gave up after an hour and installed Ubuntu with about 2.5 clicks.
Fuck that penguin. I hope it was delicious.
Skill issue /s.
I can’t remember the details now, but I tried running Ubuntu on my desktop first but I had trouble with some software not running. Then I tried Arch, and it just worked 🤷♂️
5 years now and it’s still running fine. Any problems I have are fixed with a quick google, and maybe a copy and a paste lol
From what I understand, it usually boils down to user having some modern hardware which has drivers only in recent kernel versions. Since Ubuntu lags behind in Kernel versions, it can be that appropriate drivers for your hardware are simply not there.
For instance Asus-linux community dedicated to using Linux on modern (usually gaming) Asus laptops has a huge Ubuntu warning and recommends Fedora or Arch based distros.
