Wait my Zoomer buddy definitely has a wallet thicker that George Costanza’s. I’m starting to think the internet is just full of lies for making us hate each other.
for making us hate each other.
While it is true that certain old generation is hoarding most of stuff, it is rich class from that generation who hoard it. We as multiple generations need to come up with plan that prevents such iner- and intragenerational separation. And untangle neofeudalism mess current rich class created.
Agreed, it’s varying levels of culture war bullshit intended to keep the working class from unifying. The only thing that prevents it is awareness.
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I’m a millennial and I got a bootleg ridge wallet from temu and I love it. I’ll probably get a real one if/when this breaks.
What does that say about me?
I have the real ridge wallet and love it too…just don’t waste your time with the tray
Like a huge tray to carry your stuff in? That might be fun, and smaller than my last wallet.
No it’s a tray that fits in the fridge for keys and such…it sucks.
?? Wat?
On their website…like one spare key or folded money
I was confused at the “fits in the fridge” part. Pretty sure it was a typo.
I also heard by the socks. Millennials do no-show, but apparently high socks are the style now? Those will never not look super dorky to me, so I guess I’m old now.
Fashion is cyclical
Cynical, too
the only constant is that it’s pretentious
Millenial here, I never got on board with the no show or low cut or ankle cut or whatever socks, crew socks always. Probably not en vogue with any age group, but I also don’t care. They go great with my cargo shorts.
Crew socks… crunched down ti the height of ankle socks.
I roll them down to make a decorative ankle donut that looks great over my crocs
There’s a lot to unpack here.
No you have to pull them all the way up then fold them over 2 or 3 times
Thigh highs are where it’s at nowadays :3
Huh, so I’m cool now?
I wanted to try merino wool socks, and all Costco had were crew socks, so I got them. I liked them so much they’re all I wear now because they don’t get smelly, even in summer.
I guess that’s nice to know.
Has nothing to do with dorkiness for me. High socks fucking HURT. They dig into your legs so tightly because they have to stay up. How is that comfortable? Unless you’re going Unix socks level then it’s just gonna be painful to wear high socks.
As a gen z this confuses me, I have a wallet and most people around my age also have one. Sure maybe you could say if they carry cash or not cause I definitely don’t carry cash but I still have my wallet cause theres a lot of places that don’t accept phone payments.
I’m a mid-range millennial and don’t carry cash, my wife is a slightly younger millennial and also doesn’t carry cash. I think probably most non-elder millennials don’t, but I think everyone needs a wallet. Gotta carry your ID and stuff somehow
I’m a relatively young millennial, and I carry cash because I sometimes go to events where some people don’t accept cards.
Even us elder millennials often don’t carry cash. I’m so elder, I might as well be gen-x. And until recently it had been years since I carried cash.
Same. If I have cash it’s because I needed it for something specific and haven’t managed to get rid of the change.
I’ve started carrying it more recently during times when money is tight. Helps me keep from overspending.
Totally get that. I did exactly that for years until I came up with a (slightly convoluted) system that works for me.
Same
Elder. Only carry cash when I really need it.
A lotta zoomers have phone cases with their id and stuff in them, which might be the alternative? Personally I never trusted myself to not lose my phone and be really fucked.
I agree with your last statement, but that’s still a wallet. It’s just a phone case wallet, or MagSafe wallet in some cases (which feels even scarier IMO, I don’t trust magnets that much)
Elder zoomer here. I have a wallet for all of my cards, those for pay, for insurance, for identification, etc.
Unfortunately my country doesn’t have the option for those to all be digital, so I’m still limited to something physical. Probably for the best anyways. It’s better to have redundant versions of those, in physical or digital form, in case one method is lost.
If zoomers at large don’t carry wallets, even in countries where digitization is easy, that’s just as risky as only carrying those cards in a wallet. It might be even more risky because you need your phone to be on to access that information, meaning chargers are necessary as well as a source of electricity. Not so easy in all regions of the world. Solar + batteries would work, but that’s more to carry around, when you could simply carry a wallet.
I have to carry medical cards and a wallet is needed for that and my debit card. Also anything like loyalty cards for stores or coffee shops. I’m just on the upper end of gen z as well.
But do you have a WALLET, like a trifold, or a money clip style one?
I have one of the fold style ones, I tried a money clip style one and it just felt weird to me.
My phone is at 5%. Fuck yes I have a wallet, I’m not buying a new phone every year. I’m a millennial, by definition I have no money.
My phone is almost 7 years old but in pristine condition. People often praise me of how careful I am when taking care of my belongings.
But the truth is I’m just poor AF. If something broke I don’t know how long till I can replace it so I just have to “babying” everything I own.
Unless taking care of it means you’ve replaced the battery, there’s no way it is performing at the same battery life retention which is what he was referring to.
Nope, original battery, still got 7 hours of Screen-on time.
AccuBattery report 81% capacity remain based on ~900 charge cycle recorded.
I NEVER let the battery get below 20% and NEVER charged pass 80%. It took A LOT of effort to maintain that for years, but it was worth it.
I don’t have my phone with me right now, but here’s my 4 year old tablet. It got abused a lot more than my phone.
Indeed! The sad thing is, I got this phone because someone was giving it away because it has a “spicy pillow” battery. Samsung fucking glues their batteries into their phones, but I was able to carefully remove it and replace with a lot of work (and a new screen cause it practically shatters when touched).
It was still cheaper than a new phone, but given it’s on its second life, this phone is getting on in years. Those batteries basically just become bombs after a few years.
People often praise me of how careful I am when taking care of my belongings.
I had used same phone for 8 years and the only thing why I stopped using it is vurned pixels.
Eh, most Millenials don’t have “wallets” like older generations had either.
The giant 3-5 inch thick monstrosities.
Even 20 years ago a lot of Gen X had made the switch to just a flat card hold with a couple 20s slid in.
A Millenial with one of those would say they have a wallet. A Gen Z with the same thing would say they had a card holder.
So I think a big part of this is just language evolving.
GenX here, I had to get a rodeo wallet to hold all my shit.
I’m a young Millennial and I don’t understand why you wouldn’t carry a wallet. Mine is a slim front pocket one, but I need somewhere for my ID and cards. I despise phone wallets and I use tap-to-pay where possible, but not everywhere accepts them for some reason. I also don’t carry cash because I’m not a Boomer. If I’m buying/selling something off Craigslist or whatever, I just use Venmo.
Who doesn’t use a wallet? Are they referring to those card holders and not calling them wallets?
I haven’t used cash in like a decade, but I still need to carry my cards, ID and insurance cards just in case. Where else do people carry things?
I’ve seen a lot of people carrying all that in their phone case, where they can conveniently lose every single scrap of personal information at once.
I know. The lack of redundancy gives me the shivers.
I started using cash again a couple years ago because I’m tired of every POS terminal begging for tips, even when the cashier isn’t performing any sort of service.
A lot of them actually have phone wallets for holding cards.
I keep a service key for my work van in my wallet. I carried a card clip for a while with my license and credit card, but after locking myself out of the van for the third time my then boss handed me a wallet, a door key, and said “never call me locked out again”.
Still use a wallet today
in europe, you can use your phone to pay on all of the same machines that take cards. your phone just mimics being a physical card
also, in some countries, you can have your ID on your phone through government apps. i never need to carry anything other than my phone where i live
edit: also, just for the record, i want you to know that having your cards locked digitally in your phone is more secure than having a wireless card in your physical wallet
The ID on the phone thing is weird. Like I’m gonna give my phone to a cop when they ask for my ID. That’s a nope from me. Same reason why I still print out my car insurance cards even though the information is on my phone. I ain’t giving my phone to a cop for any reason.
In the US, not every merchant accepts phone payments, so we still have to carry physical cards around. Your patronizing tone was unnecessary.
The ID on the phone thing is weird. Like I’m gonna give my phone to a cop when they ask for my ID. That’s a nope from me.
That just seems like a privacy nightmare. No one touches my phone. There’s way too much personal info on there to hand over to anyone, much less cops.
infosec.pub - user instance checks out. And I’m with you, it’s awful for privacy. I’ll keep using the plastic card.
The ID on the phone thing is weird. Like I’m gonna give my phone to a cop when they ask for my ID.
You don’t do that. You present the cop a QR code generated on the fly by the ID app when selecting “show ID” (or driver’s licence, in our country) that they then scan with their equivalent app or device. You don’t physically give them the phone. At least that’s the idea.
Like in many countries (traffic or street) cops here barely have a high school education and it’s not unusual for them to be too stupid to be able to scan a QR code. So carrying your plastic cards with you is prudent.
Having an unlocked phone anywhere near a cop is a bad idea considering they can just grab it. There are stories of them using people’s handcuffed hands to unlock phones with fingerprints against the wishes of the phone’s owner so I definitely wouldn’t put it past them to grab it out of your hand.
i am sorry if i sounded patronizing, i promise you that’s not even remotely what i intended. i was just trying to give you a non-american perspective in a neutral tone, but i must have failed that
i think you’re misunderstanding how cards on phones work in the EU. if the card reader that you’re interacting with accepts wireless cards, it will also accept your phone. i’ve never visited the US so i don’t know how it works over there, but here in europe, there are no “apple pay” or “google wallet” stickers/requirements on the terminals. it just shows a universal “wireless cards” symbol, which means that anything NFC will work
To be honest, I have used my “phone as ID” thing more at municipality offices - the US equivalent would be a DMV, but we have more services available there. Also for paying taxes, the municipality tax thing works by me logging into the municipality website with the “phone as ID” thing, and they give a QR code that automatically configures a bank transfer in my bank app.
I have been stopped by police exactly 2 times over 30 years, and both of those were while driving. If I wouldn’t drive so much, I imagine they wouldn’t have done that either. Also, they only asked for my driving licence which is a card, and I have to have it on me to drive, and it also serves as a full personal ID.
I guess what I’m saying that the point of having an ID here is not so that you can give it to cops, but to access govt services.
Kids. They don’t need most cards and the few ones they need, they can easily have on their phone in their Apple/Google Wallets.
When they get older they will realize at some point thar they will need cards that arenot available digitally
People who value privacy and want to support small vendors and businesses also carry cash, nothing to do with being a Boomer
Gen Z here.
Do people really not have wallets now? There’s so much I can’t carry without a wallet, most importantly my ID. Am I expected to just put that loose in my pockets or bag?
And like, sometimes I’m forced to carry cash for one reason or another. I need a space place to put that.
I’m guessing it’s just because the majority of my generation isn’t old enough to be regularly encountering these issues. I’m 100% certain it’ll change as they age the way I was forced to.Elder statesman millennial here (38 at this point). There’s a pocket on my phone case. I have to carry a phone. Why not make my phone my wallet?
Phone wallets seem like such an older person thing to me vs regular wallets. It’s like admitting you won’t have your phone in your hand constantly so why not combine the two.
Also a handy way to lose your phone, ID, debit, and credit cards all at once! Why not combine all the worst things to lose that I carry into one losable, stealable package? Might as well clip the keys to them too!
Hold on, let me go @ popsocket… We’ll make that a thing yet!
Maybe add a thin string to the phone and attach the other end to person’s glasses? So when you lose your phonewalletkeyandglassesholder it wouldn’t make us four-eyed folks feel left out.
People rarely go out without their phones, so having their wallet in their phone case means they never forget their wallet.
The downside is if you lose your phone, you lose your wallet.
I’d rather have a separate wallet, but I get why it’s useful.
It’s about pocket space. Keys + phone + wallet.
Keys and phone can’t mix. And if you have a traditional wallet they are on the big side. So you’ll have to use your back pocket (in summer) which can be uncomfortable and prone to pickpockets.
So. A place to put your cards in the case for your phone is very space efficient. Since you always carry your phone with you anyway.
Not sure what you mean by “admitting you won’t have your phone in your hand”. Phone case vs phone wallet case, we’re talking, at most. 5mm of extra width.
You’re assuming I don’t always have my phone in my hand anyways.
I’ve thought about doing this, but:
- I don’t always want to bring my wallet
- I want my wallet to block RFID and NFC so people can’t read my cards from in my pocket, but that’d probably cause serious problems for my phone reception.
- It’d make my phone chonky AF in my pocket, I can’t split it between two pockets.
I mostly only need my wallet if I’m driving, for my driver’s license, but paranoia makes me take it with me whenever I’m traveling by vehicle even if I’m not the driver.
Reddit gets the weirdest comment upvoted sometimes? Might be bots? Or maybe the tweet is made up because I had a hard time finding that thread.
Assuming no maliciousness, upvotes are not the equivalent of truth votes, but what people want to believe is true or think probably is true.
And make no mistake about it, Lemmy is no different. Might even be worse when it comes to voting along ideological lines.
Born 1980. I don’t have a traditional wallet, but I do carry a combination card holder (which has my ID) and money clip. I think some people are simplifying that to ID in pocket and all payment methods on phone (tap or app).
Generations are mostly BS anyway. Carry a wallet or not according to your needs and preferences.
They have those card holder sleeves for their phones, which is essentially a wallet on a phone
That’d interfere with my wireless charger…
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Yeah sometimes classic ways are still best or you find you really don’t need something you give up for efficiency, just do you and it’s fine.
Always found those funny because now if one thing gets lost/stolen you’re substantially more screwed. Although if you only carry one card and have tiny pockets, I get it.
This is why those phone/wallet combos are stupid. I don’t blame people for using them, but phones are easy to swipe as people stare at the screen. If I had my phone and wallet stolen, would be screwed.
All my sons all Gen Z all have wallets so not sure what that tweet is talking about.
Gen z here… Everyone around me has wallets
Tbf I am in Berlin, the cash capital of the world, but still.
Yeah, that is bullshit. For Germany at least.
Germany is a backwards nightmare coming from the UK. No self checkout with contactless payment. Instead you queue behind 5 people in Reve, each one counting out coins to pay exactly for whatever they’ve bought.
I prefer self checkout too so I’m not bothered, but it’s really not a big deal.
No self checkout with contactless payment.
Where I am there are no self checkouts with cash payment.
Rewe added self checkout this year.
Excellent news. Just the public transport tickets left to fix. Why on earth did they emulate paper ticket strips in the transport payment apps?
Not every phone has NFC. Even from 2022.
Probably, so they work with the existing infrastructure.
I can understand moving transactions to digital and not needing to keep cash or a debit card… but what about your ID? If I just stuck that in my pocket by itself I’d be worried about losing it!
American here. Some states have digital IDs now. I’m in California and we have this…
I can drop my physical license and it won’t be damaged. I drop my phone, that’s like an eggshell these days…
Why would I want my ID on a fragile device, that thieves like to steal no less?
Thieves like to steal wallets too
Yes, of course. But I can drop my wallet and it won’t break.
Ok grandpa.
I am far less worried of losing my phone than my wallet. I have eyeballs or my hand on my phone probably every two minutes while I am awake. I use it to navigate and play music in my car. I use it for just about everything at work. I won’t forget it at home, or leave it in my car. If I don’t have it with me I will know pretty quickly and track my steps. My wallet on the other hand, I will go days without needing it. It is far more likely for me to not realize my wallet is missing than my phone. If I dropped and broke my phone, having to link my ID again is the least of my worries. Thank would be a lot easier than ordering a new physical copy.
Well, I can say, I’ve never lost my wallet, and it’s highly unlikely I ever will, unless I’m ever robbed of course. My wallet stays in my pocket, 24/7, even when I’m sleeping.
I have been carrying a wallet for probably 30 years, other than the one I lost when I was like 15. Iv never lost one either.I do the ol wallet check evertime I leave the room or walk through a crowd like every other man, it would just be nice not to have too. People steal phones reguardless and it sucks. A physical wallet would suck more than my phone in tge long run. Have to not only order and wait for physical replacements, but remember every card in their to shut them off and report them as stolen. If my phone is stolen tge pass code is locked out and tge phone is encrypted. They aren’t getting anything anyway. The worst part is replacing the phone. Logging into accounts is the least of the worries.
I’m planning on getting multiple IDs when mine expires. 1 for my wallet, one to keep in my car, and a backup at home.
You can’t do that in the US. To give you another ID they have to punch a hole in the first one, rendering it invalid. Otherwise everyone would just get multiple IDs and sell the extras to their underage friends.
Well that’s rather inconvenient.
I have both. Lose/forget my wallet, still got it on my phone.
I sleep with my wallet in my pocket, plus my wallet doesn’t need recharging…
My state has that as well, but you are still required to carry a physical license if you are driving, same with car insurance info on paper. It doesn’t solve much of a problem since that is the case.
Some countries have digital ID. Some people have cards holders stuck on their phone.
Call me old-fashioned, while it looks practical I do not want to put my phone and cards together in one easy to steal package.
I’m with you. I get the preference for a one-stop-shop as it were, and keeping things separate has it’s own issues, but on top of easier to steal, I leave things behind randomly, and keeping things separate means I’m not completely effed like I would be if I left my phone/wallet/key/epipen multitool or whatever on the bus.
You’re old fashioned.
I want it all in my phone. I just want to carry one thing.
When I were a lad, I’d get told never to put all my eggs in one basket.
A card holder on your phone is just a different kind of wallet.
Yes, but not for the purpose of this post.
I disagree.
That’s fine we don’t all need to be correct.
I agree.
What, kids don’t carry drugs anymore? What is the world coming to
I have little drug pouch for that
Yeah, a wallet. But the kind with the zipper. You gotta carry ID on you depending on your lifestyle. Why make your drugs pouch different from your money and card pouch
because mine most often also has rolling papers, vaporisor etc.
Okay, so does your drug pouch have a wallet?
I think it depends on where you are more than your age. I very rarely carry a wallet on me and I am definitely not Gen Z. That being said, where I live, every legitimate (i.e. non laundering/tax dodging) business accepts paying by phone. I can use public transport by scanning my phone, I can prove my ID by showing my phone, I can claim medical benefits by using my phone, and every franchise has it’s own loyalty app I can download on my phone.
That’s pretty horrifying. The perfect dystopia waiting for collapse when a server fails or a there is a network outage or infection.
If that’s going on I promise you have much bigger concerns than how to pay for some mcnuggets. The same thing can happen to any credit card processor as well. Not a bad idea to keep some cash at home, but for day to day, hour to hour stuff there’s no need to bring it anywhere.
Difference is, I get to eat my McNuggets.
The problem with that is that if you lose your phone while out and about, you’ve also lost all hope of paying for anything to get home.
No different from losing your wallet back in the day. Except I can log into my Google accounts on literally any Android phone (plus my yubikey) and get it all back.
Still, I will put a credit card in a different pocket sometimes when I am going out drinking just in case. If I’m really stranded I’ll call the police from that bar, say my phone was stolen and beg them for a ride.
Not that much different to losing your wallet before you could pay with your phone
phones can stop working
That’s true, I only relied on my phone until the first time it just didn’t work for no reason haha
I don’t have wallet, but I pay mostly with cash and carry social(student) card that works as public transport ticket and also works as state healthcare card.
and every franchise has it’s own loyalty app I can download on my phone.
I don’t see it as benefit at all
i really dislike the idea that my life could come to a complete halt if my phone stopped working in the middle of the day.
Where I live, 90% of places have a working tap to pay, but 10% still need that chip to be entered.
Annoyingly, the convenience store chain (part of Circle K) that I buy snacks at, tap to pay only works for credit cards not debit cards.
Good ? Never use debit cards. They aren’t subject to the same fraud protections…
Why the fuck anyone would think giving anyone direct access to their banking account is a good idea. Sheesh.
Not sure why down votes, this is financial security 101. Some debit cards have gotten with the program but… Still cringe. I do keep one on me but it’s a free account I keep a bit of cash in, not where direct deposit goes to.
It’s almost cult like, some people’s “attachment” to debit cards. I’ve been called all sorts of things for pointing out how BAD it is to use them for everyday transactions.
Literally Home Depot is the only place left which doesn’t have phone payments, and they really need to get with the fucking program. I wish more people would shame them for this.
Walmart is another weird one. They have phone payments but only using their app. Which is some real “company town” BS.
Really need a first party app for credit card payments. I’m not going back to Google having control over my phone and you can’t use GPay unless you let those scumbags watch you.
You kids and your government tracked money. I buy too many things for cash to not have a wallet.
I was a always cash guy, Corona made me a card person, I still refuse to use my phone for it because it’s enough that Visa knows everything I buy, no need for Google to know it as well. Also bizarre that we become a no cash society at the same time authoritarian regimes pop up left and right…
I use my debit card a lot but I really like flea markets and junk sales and they are often cash only. I also get cash from metal scrap and it’s my “walking around money “
Wallet in Fanny pack gang, rise up!
Lol, I have to carry my insurance card, ID, debit and credit as well as purchase and travel cards for work along with when I’m at a work site I need to carry my hotel key.
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Where else do I keep the cash I need for food truck stops? Like, the good ones that look like a moving hole in the wall. None of this newfangled hipster food truck with pos devices.
This and saving small businesses the obsurd credit card fees. I use my card for the smallest amounts at chain and big stores. At local business, cash is king.
I hadn’t even thought about the fees, I was just using what was convenient for the business and I want that business to succeed because those tacos are so damn good.
What’s wild is how much easier cash is to not report and commit tax evasion.
I’m cool tipping in cash knowing the server isn’t reporting it all. I’m also cool with street taco vendors not reporting it too. I think the majority of people are, at least where I’m from.
But one of the things I learned about doing business is always make it easy for people to pay. It doesn’t matter the means, but if you want more sales make it easy for the customer to pay you. Whether it’s cash, card, or venmo. If you make it tough or restrict the method, you’ll lose sales
that’s exactly why I always try to tip with cash. when I pay in cash for food, I have no issue if the business wants to pocket it and keep a little extra something for themselves that uncle sam can’t touch. taxes are important, but workers can have a little personal gain, as a treat. plus, credit companies don’t need to get their beaks wet everytime I buy something.
But one of the things I learned about doing business is always make it easy for people to pay.
the weirdest thing I see regularly is “no cash” signs for vendors. I understand some places don’t want to deal with giving change, or holding large amounts of cash at outdoor events, or making lines go quicker, etc. it’s just strange that the most concrete form of regulated currency we have is turned down so often now.
Plus you can avoid tax which is always nice.
Last time I was in TX, one of my favorite food trucks had a sign that said “no longer excepting cash payments”. I laughed at the grammatical error, but was still a little sad about losing the option to pay with real money. It wasn’t hipster at all, but I guess the clientele was.
Anyway, yes. I see your point but a lot of places realize they have to get modern or fail. It makes me sad to think about.
I understand why, I just don’t like it.
So yeah, I think I’m getting old 🤣🤣🤣
How can they not accept legal tender? I’m pretty sure that’s against the law.
I don’t really know what the legality of this is. The best explanation I can come up with is: Texas.
I looked it up and there’s no federal law but states can and some do.
Good 'ol roach coach.
Yeah I could probably get by without my physical credit/debit cards, but gotta at least have a thin wallet with a little cash for small businesses/food trucks that prefer it, my ID, and transit card.
Get a phone wallet
I don’t even use a case, I hate the trend of phones back towards bulky and will resist any attempt to add to their mass.
I prefer it when my phone doesn’t slide out of my pocket.
Your phone slides out of your pocket? Do your pockets have really wide mouths that expose half of the side?
I skate and am semi active sometimes so even if it didn’t fly out, it’s a good idea to protect it in case I land on it.
Ooh that’s fair, mine is usually tucked away in a soft space when I’m being active.
Spigen has some good drop tested cases that are pretty thin.
I’ll have to take a look, thanks!
this is what I see many z and alpha doing, if they’re not just shoving cards and cash into a loose cheap case
