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The worst part is, after a short while, you actually cross this sort of threshold where you enjoy it and begin to look forward to it, and then you start to notice it is helping your mental as well as your physical health.
Just atrocious. It’s almost like we were evolved for this.
This has never happened to me. I still hate it and I run at least 18 miles a week for going on twenty years. I feel like shit if I don’t run, but I still hate the actual activity.
Have you tried an activity you actually enjoy? I know that sounds a bit curt, but I gave up jogging for mountain biking and hiking, and now it is substantially easier to convince myself to get out and get started because I actually enjoy what I’m doing!
That shouldn’t have been as revelatory for me as it was, but the current paradigm is that jogging, gym time, or other monotonous activities are what we should be doing, and that really just sucks the joy out of physical activity.
I have extremely limited amounts of time to do anything. My wife is ill and I’m her full time care giver. So I really only have running as an option. I wake up early when she is still sleeping and go. I prefer running to biking.
I am sorry to hear about your wife, and I hope for the best for you both.
I too hope the best for this guy’s wife… and him.
the current paradigm is that jogging, gym time, or other monotonous activities are what we should be doing
I’d just like to contrast that with how getting enough exercise could work if our cities were designed properly.
Hey me too. 15 years working out and I still hate it except for competitive sports.
I like to think of it as a reverse hangover. Instead of a few hours of fun and a day of pain, i do a hangover on purpose for a few hours and get a whole day buzz.
It helps cuz i too like most people (?) hate exercise
I think that’s the most common experience. For years I hated exercising almost as much as I hated not having exercised
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it’s crazy to me that there are people out there that are able to do things they don’t enjoy doing by their own willpower just because it’s good for them and I can’t even get myself to do the things I enjoy doing.
Just do something you actually enjoy instead? Fucking hell people are ridiculous, there’s so many options to exercise, find the ones you actually enjoy!
This guy stop being a rude asshole on the internet challenge (impossible)
Some people don’t enjoy any exercise, ever think about that, musclebrain?
There’s a whole lot of stuff that people consider to be activities that are a perfect replacement for what the same people consider to be exercise, they’ll love the former and hate the latter without realizing that if they just did the former often enough they wouldn’t feel the need to do the latter at all.
I used to run a ton, got a smallish dog and now I go on walks and hikes instead, most people only consider that running is exercising of those three things but all of them are a form of exercising.
I’ve always hated team sports but I love climbing, kayaking, canoeing, snowshoeing… should I force myself to do team sports because that’s what people think about when they think about sports or should I be doing the stuff I actually find enjoyable?
The goal is just for people to move.
I’m the guy that originally responded saying that I dislike running even though I’ve been doing it religiously for a long time.
All your suggestions are wonderful here. I will get right on kayaking, hiking, and the like as soon as my wife miraculously is cured and I have free time to do all this stuff that someone with a good life can do. Otherwise, I will continue to do what I can (running at 5:30am before my wife wakes up) because my wife needs me all the time when she is awake because she is in hellish pain.
Please stop being a jackass to people. There is another person in this thread that did this the right way. Gently suggesting an alternative and not assuming they knew best. It would behoove you to understand that your particular situation isn’t universal and other people have different wants, needs, and responsibilities than you.
Sorry for not being able to read your mind
Even when I was young and healthy, I never looked forward to exercise and it never improved my mental health, even when people insisted that I do it all the time. I would always feel in a mental fog for the rest of the day after exercise. Any day without exercise and I was (and still am) very sharp mentally.
A few years ago I went from 265 lbs to 195. I was amazed at how much better I felt overall.
Unfortunately, I have a relationship with sweets that is very similar to Charlie Sheen’s relationship with cocaine. I haven’t gained all that weight back but I have gained back some of it.
Getting the motivation and self control to eat right is incredibly hard work.
Damn I’m feeling you. I’m in the fall process (solidly down 15kg/33lb, approaching 20kg/44lb) with about 10-15kg to go. When my belly stops flapping I’m good I think. But I fear the rebound… Currently lots of my evening snacking have disappeared because of evening gym classes, so late home and even later dinner. So I don’t have time anymore to get snacky. Or if I do it’s almost bedtime anyway so I’ll just go to bed instead.
But once I’ve hit my goal and don’t need to hit gym that hard anymore… That frightens me. A little bit at least. Made some good connections there and got a routine going so i can probably keep it up.
I personally disregard weight goals because I find it can be discouraging to feel objectively better, but then the number on the scale says you’re no different. So I just walk by the scale now.
Anyway, but that’s me. For snacking, I find drinking a lot of water after meals, and having healthy snacks that I like (chopped carrots, mixed nuts, chia seed pudding, really dark chocolate, etc) helps.
Also I personally don’t believe in “cheat days” but I like allowing myself to enjoy some junk socially. Like we have a local doughnut+coffee shop nearby, and my buddy and I will usually meet there on our dates. It’s fun, it’s local. I don’t feel bad about it.
Hopefully there’s a helpful tidbit in here and I didn’t come off as preachy!
Numbers fuck people up. You make a goal to lose 100, finally see the scale tick down by 2, “Damn! 1/50th of the way?!”
But once I’ve hit my goal and don’t need to hit gym that hard anymore… That frightens me.
I’m pretty sure the notion of not needing to exercise as much after you’ve hit your goal is a misconception to begin with, if it makes you feel any better.
Yeah you just keep setting goals and pushing until you’re at your physical limit, then just maintain, forever.
Man, seeing a ton of people all experiencing great returns on their hard work just makes me feel even worse for never experiencing any of it beyond the weight loss itself. For literal years. No good feelings, no endorphins, even some of my joints felt worse simply because they were being used more.
And now the exact same thing two days in a row!
Its great. I’m fine. This is fine. I’m not jealous or spiteful at all. Have fun working out for me I guess.
Just take drugs. Problem solved!
I do both, I’m playing both sides so I always come out on top
Just find a form of exercise that you actually enjoy, running and going to the gym aren’t the only options…
My dude I appreciate you, but I spent years doing all kinds of exercise from yoga to iron man segments and not one has been enjoyable.
I loathe exercise for it’s own sake. I kayak the creeks and swamps, canoe the rivers, build stuff at my camp, hike around the woods, all that. The things I see and experience and create are the reward.
And by the way, saw a family of 5 teenybopper armadillos foraging last week! They weren’t babies and there wasn’t an adult around, guess they were siblings. It was hot as hell, but there was a cold creek to swim in at the end of the trail. Lifting weights and yoga won’t get you that kind of experience.
Fun fact: armadillos are all born as identical quadruplets. If you saw 5, then one was either a parent or adopted.
Maybe you can find a way to couple activity to something else that you do want to do. Exercise for its own sake is tough for me, but I don’t mind walking 15 minutes to get lunch, and then, obviously, 15 minutes back. The meme’s message is that you don’t need to sweat, get out of breath, or get swole to have meaningful physical activity.
Wonder if it’s a hunter gatherer type thing. Like F yeah get out there vs I just want to pick berries.
The only time I’ve ever felt the “runner’s high” they keep talking about was in the mosh pit at a concert, and I think the music and crowd did more for it than the activity.
Sadly, the local YMCA doesn’t have mosh sessions available.
Damn that sucks. For me it was pretty subtle. Like I would tell myself “well at least my body feels pretty good” even though the rest of me wasn’t. And then I started to notice that I wasn’t feeling as bad as I normally was.
And then I have had some slices of actually feeling good after 30-60 minutes intense cardio + rajma masala on rice, but maybe I just got lucky.
Definitely feeling more sore in my joints though. Stretching and limiting workouts to 2-3 times a week helps some with aches and pains in my experience.
How long have you been at it? It took me a few months before it started to even feel like a habit I could keep up
EDIT: oh you said years. Dannng, have you tried switching it up? Maybe talk to a doctor?
I’ve also never, ever felt endorphins or wanted to exercise - this despite being verifiably “in shape” for at least five years of my life and running half marathons during that time. I always just suffered through it because it was part of my job. Oh, occasionally I would find something fun, like when I went to a boxing or BJJ gym, but the fun never lasted more than a week before it just became like anything else.
Though I do want to see my dog happy, and that motivates me to get walking twice a day these days 👍
I started weight lifting and intermittently doing cardio (intermittently because it’s boring and I hate it). It fixed basically all the random aches and pain shit I was having but I also never got any endorphins out of it. I look good naked though so there’s that.
I’ve been doing P90X because I like lifting and hate cardio. I like the structure a lot because there’s a ton of lifting but there’s also a pliometrics day and a kenpi day for cardio that isn’t boring.
Whack. The only thing I can think of is if your base activity level has never been low enough in that several year period, you might not know what it feels like to be completely sedentary by comparison?
I don’t really get endorphin highs from running. But what it does do is make teenager level randy.
When I work out all the blood leaves my brain, it’s a medical thing my family has. I stay thin by just eating very little.
Yeah… this shit’s killing me. If walking improves your “chronic pain” you were just lazy and out of shape 🤣
It didn’t help ME with chronic pain, but it does help my wife with her fibromyalgia.
I’d wager if you are up in weight, and chronic pain is in any of your weight supporting areas (hips, knees, ankles, lower back, etc) then chances are your pain could be weight related.
My parents are 100% weight related issues, and when I was trying to lose weight in 2013-2015 I tried to get them to do light stuff with me. Walk around the trees behind the house a few times. A couple light calisthenics. Ride some shitty cheap bikes around the park.
Since then their knees, hips, and ankles are their biggest complaints.
Yeah I hated the process of becoming one of the exercise people, but it really is the lowest effort to increase in happiness activity I’ve added to my life
Eating well is even lower effort, but inversively fun.
Can confirm. Health nuts dont seem so nutty anymore.
And then after some time, you come to expect your body to feel sore, and when your body doesn’t feel sore that feels weird. So you do exercise for no other reason than to feel sore again…
And then if you don’t go for a week or l for whatever reason you get a new kind of achey muscle thing. That’s weird
Started walking 10k steps a day after seeing myself in pictures and hating how I looked. I’d been fairly active in the past, but some injuries sidelined me. I found getting out and walking was much better for my mental health and creativity than staring at a screen. Embraced the zen of walking when it was cold or rainy out - I’m lucky to often see animals around me that I know most people near me are never seeing. Now instead of dreading exercise, I have the opposite problem of getting restless and pissy if I don’t get my walking or biking in.
“i bless the rains down in castamere” is a top notch display name
She’s also just top notch in general. Her and her ridiculously charming pet pig Rufus (pictured below) are two of main things I miss from Twitter…
There is only one Rufus and that’s not it.
Imho, anything you can do to increase overall bloodflow is beneficial to your entire system. One of the reasons caffeine makes us feel good is the increased bloodflow. If that can be increased without drugs, youre one up on the masses. Enjoy it dont hate it
If the effects were truly the same, I’d rather drink a few coffees a day than go for a walk. It’s faster and tastes better.
I feel like they are both bitter tastes people only like through aquirement. Have you tried sweetening your exercise with sugar?
That’s a funny take. No, I haven’t :D
I tried it, but my doctor was unhappy with me for eating a peanut butter cup every block that I walked.
Audiobooks.
Listen to an audiobook and just walk, it does depend where you live though. I’m lucky there are a lot of trails and paths around my town.
I walk about 5km every day, done so for more than 2 years now and listening to audiobooks helps the time pass quite quickly.
What also helps a lot is doing some pushups at home as well, for a few months I did 100 pushups throughout the day and it really makes a difference.
This is the advice (audiobook) I heard way back and it worked for me. Specifically, I listen to podcasts, but only when I’m working out or comminuting to the workout.
Eventually you get invested in whatever you’re listening to and want to just listen to it, but the workout limitation means you have to make time for exercise before you get your fix.
I try not to listen to audiobooks unless I am walking/shopping just so they last longer.
It’s a bit difficult for me to find something I want to listen to, I like a very specific type of writing and I seem to stick to it and look for similar.
I mostly listen to Terry Pratchett’s books and at this stage I have listened to most of them a few times.
Pratchett is evergreen. I’ve looped the Discworld series a couple times now. Nothing wrong with just listening to them on repeat.
I’d recommend YA fantasy for similar vibes, though they’ll never be anything exactly like Pratchett’s writing. I just recently got into A Wizard of Earthsea by Le Guin, and it left me feeling really good.
For hundreds of thousands of years, we spent 2 or 3 hours a day hunting and gathering, then chilled out and had fun the rest of the time. That’s what our bodies are designed for.
I was hoping you would say “unnaturally contorted in a desk chair for 8-10 hours per day”
Straight to shrimpin
Those numbers are off, and there’s some studies showing that what people simplify to “chilling out” was also work, just done in groups back at the settlement. For example, preparing the animal you caught for eating, using the tools of the era, takes time. Unfortunately there are a lot of people understanding only the bare bones cliffnotes of historic life, then using it as fuel for their (justified but somewhat misinformed) campaign against the workload expected of us in modern life.
That said, the general take away is correct: humans used to be far more active in the completion of their daily duties.
Back when we lived to the ripe old age of 38.
(Im kidding, I know that was mostly due to infection and whatnot)
The ‘age of 38’ thing isn’t even due to infection ir disease, or even a thing at all. 38 was the average between the high number of infant deaths and the normal lifespan of someone who didn’t.
Ok, women giving birth skewed it a bit too. Men didn’t die in battle as much as people think, since most battles were decided when a small portion of the losing side died and the rest fled.
Do we have numbers for the hunter-gatherer time that can even be skewed by infant deaths?
Edit: as it turns out, yes, absolutely. Wikipedia says the lifespan is around 21-37 years but 57% died before 15 and 64% of those that don’t would also reach 45.
Yeah, mid twenties to mid thirties tends to be the peak of human health and physcial fitness which would be true no matter what conditions are, so it would make sense that disease, accidents, and other trauma would be far less fatal during those ages.
This post inspired me to go play outside, thank you
Meanwhile I have a body that tries to kill me when I exercise.
😥
One of the many reasons I value living in a walkable city. I don’t have to go out of my way to walk. It’s just a part of daily life.
I biked to work every day as my only regular exercise and was relatively happy with my body and endurance - COVID taking that away by turning my job remote only really showed me how important that daily activity is - first time in my life signed up for a fitness studio after those could open again.
I’ve tried to find a nice balance of exercise. I always figured I was supposed to go to the gym and lift and run on treadmills and do push-ups. I’ve honestly found that a simple 30 minutes of walking is all I need
The idea that I could be doing less activity than walking 3 miles a week and not understanding how bad I’m feeling because of it… Is extremely depressing. I’m so glad I figured this out like 12 years ago!
Just the idea of not doing something that you are doing makes you depressed?
Yeah. I was super depressed then and it was worse because of being fat. Thinking about that is sad. Ya know, words aren’t always meant 100% literally
Literally is exactly how you take words. You just made a mistake. I understand what you mean now.
The initial comment resonated so much with me, that I feel the need to answer, even though I wasn’t even asked: YES
A few years ago I was in a really dark place. I lost 3 kg in 2 months and when I wasn’t at work, I was lying in my bed on the verge of crying, half-listening to YouTube just to scare the thoughts away.
But the thing, that finally got me out of the loop, was getting myself a houseplant, after watching a plant YouTuber for a while. And when I got home, rather than cry, I obsessively cleaned every speck of dust off the leaves, measured the soil moisture with a stick and just watched it be. And something just clicked inside me and I realized that I had found something I wanted to do; probably forever, if given the chance.
Still have the same plant; cut, repotted and propagated. And while I’m at a much better place now - physically, mentally, financially - just thinking about giving that (houseplants) up feels like going back.
Nice story but not the same thing at all. If you already had the house plant and watched a video about not having a houseplant and got depressed, that would be the same thing.
