i can’t even guess as to why they went quiet. not one guess at all. we will never know.
edit: well they’re not quiet now once they get called out
Had nothing to do with it… or at least insignificantly. The Dems on a platform of “were not him” and the economy is booming… while people where hurting and got shafted by the wave of devaluation… people are angry… and the let’s keep going on the same path and change nothing and so nothing party did not get people out to vote.
Well it appears they’ll never figure that out and intend to lose more so in 4 more years.
Trump will have had 4 years to Putin up America by then. I’m not sure elections will matter any more by then. This is all just academic.
“Democrats lost because of this out that… They’ll never learn…” “Trump won because of that…”
Who fucking cares anymore? The fascists are in charge now.
So if the fascist are in charge does that mean you just give up? No resistance? No civil war? Just hand America over to the fascists?
… No resistance? No civil war?
Who’s going to be on my side? Trump won the popular vote. Think we can rely on ppl that can’t even bother to vote to come actually put their lives in peril for a cause? Who would I fight with and what in the fuck are we even fighting for?
I’ll be in the fight anyway, as soon as there actually is one, but Americans will need to wake the fuck up before that’s possible.
put their lives in peril for a cause?
I mean if liberals weren’t so willing to through palestinians under the genocide train maybe you’d have some support? start but recanting your behavior with your community. go and support people in it and you’ll be surprised.
start but recanting your behavior with your community. go and support people in it and you’ll be surprised.
You’re talking out of your ass. You don’t know me or what I do for my community and you’re being pretty self righteous. So listen here:
Too late for any of this to matter, as I’ve said. Blame liberals. Blame Democrats. Trump is in power. Now it gets worse for everyone. Maybe you’ll enjoy the revenge of watching American liberals suffer. Maybe it will outweigh the additional suffering to the Palestinians in your mind.
Personally, I was never a big fan of Biden or Kamala but I voted for both of them out of necessity. I didn’t agree with Israel’s response to the Hamas attack. I wish Biden had taken a stand. Kamala would have been better but not great. Trump is far, far worse.
Too many Americans are ignorant to the binary choice they have and they threw their vote away. Too many Americans are either hateful or gullible enough to vote for Trump. Too many are just lazy or not interested. All that ignorance and anger has given power to a narcissist fascist, who loves, I mean loves Israel. He’s in charge of a vast arsenal and the halfway serious people from his last administration won’t have anything to do with him this time. This time he’s only appointing loyalists, just like a fascist.
Trump’s going to deport anyone he can from the US right away. Israel will do whatever they want with blessings and help. Trump will try to cling to power for more than four years. The next election might not count (Putin style, Trump’s buddy). This may get worse for some time to come.
Support cuts both ways and the sane people left in America got none of it this election. Now we all face the consequences.
I like how instead of taking the sound advice to reach out within your community for support you take offense and try to rationalize your support for genocide. enjoy trump you’ve certainly earned him. makes popcorn
There sure are a lot of people trying to blame the left because their strategy of appealing to the middle failed.
Well yeah, otherwise they’d have to consider actually changing their shit strategy
Even after all this the DNC are already bowing down to the fascist position because they lost because they were “too woke”.
This is when the democrats were already running a far right platform of “we want to fund the police, not defund them”, following Trump’s border policy, “most lethal army”, “Israel must expand its borders”, “I’ll have a Republican in my cabinet”. And they weren’t “woke” at all. Kamala threw trans people in the trash saying “we’ll follow the law” when it comes to trans issues. It was the Republicans who were running hundreds of millions of dollars worth of attack ads on trans people and democrats weren’t saying shit.
The DNC have once again failed to learn and are looking for a “centrist” chair, doing exactly the same thing of shutting down leftist voices and trying to appeal to and compromise with the fascists instead of listening to people like Bernie and AOC.
You’d think after they utterly failed and managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory and get an out and proud fascist elected they would finally learn that they need to address the real issues that affect all working class people.
The ratchet effect is real.
The Republican critique of the democrats is kind of right in a way in that they are just the same rich people not doing anything about the cost of living and only using identity politics to “virtue signal”. They’re right wingers with rainbow flags. That doesn’t do much for oppressed minorities except make us the target of attacks. What would benefit queer and other oppressed minorities more is build a society in which we can afford homes to live in, food to eat, access to healthcare. But they want to make it all about pronouns because that is easy for them to look like they’re someone “on the left”, when economically they’re not on the left at all.
There’s really no hope with the DNC. We just need to organize in our own communities because the democrats certainly aren’t coming to save anyone.
The so called rachet effect is because the left never shows up, so the Dems go to the center to find voters. The left doesn’t like this so they cry rachet.
Is there data about the 2024 election showing this available already? Because the 2020 data doesn’t support that.
Voted but voted for who? Jill Stein? I’m obviously saying they didn’t show up for Dems.
And the difference I see between right and left are about the same. Like those 4 points for left and right are really pretty much the same percentage. And that’s percentage, so it’s what I’ve said before that either 1) the left doesn’t exist (or is tiny), or 2) they don’t show up. Either way.
And finally I think Biden won because he went to the center and got those voters. The stressed sideliners in that graphic.
It wasn’t obvious, plenty of people simply say that the left doesn’t vote despite the fact they’re some of the most engaged voters out there.
You would think that courting the most dedicated voting demographic on your side of the aisle would be a positive if they weren’t already mostly voting for you anyway, but I’m not the kind of brilliant political machine that can lose elections to Trump twice. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Yeah it was obvious I’m saying the left doesn’t show up for the dems when it’s a 2 party system.
You would think that courting the most dedicated voting demographic
They’re either tiny or they don’t show up for the Dems. Every time the dems (jfc do I have to add that every time?) rely on the left, they lose.
lose elections to Trump twice.
Hillary said she’d have a map room to fight climate change. You know that existential issue that the left totally says it will show up for for the dems, right? And they didn’t show up for the Dems.
Biden saw that and ran center. And he won. But Biden did left things anyway. And what did polls show? That the left wasn’t going to show up for the Dems.
Harris relied on the left to show up for the Dems and they couldn’t even do that for the dems when their own human rights and democracy was on the ticket.
The only time the Dems win is when they go to the center. After this, thy will never ever rely on the left again, because they never show up for the Dems.
I hope you see why people don’t add for the Dems every single time. Because it’s a pain in the ass and a mess.
I wasn’t super fond of the democrat’s platform either man, but I definitely wanted Not Fascism and Some Semblance of Human Rights to win.
Now we have nothing, and I have to make plans to figure out how to get my girlfriend out of the country if she ever needs reproductive care. Great job!
‘But Trump’ got you Trump twice now, and you’re blaming the people that tried to save you from yourself.
Children try to help with tasks they are incapable of doing as well, that does not mean we should alter our actions to cater to them.
How has this worked out so far?
You got Trump elected twice.
Good job, if that was the intent.
Your child analogy is sophistry trying to pin responsibility for the DNC’s failures on others to preserve the paycheck of checks notebook oh yeah, the campaign manager of John Edwards failed primary campaign who then went to work for Clinton in 2016 and Harris in 2024.
You’re carrying the water for people who continue to fail up and then fail using the same strategy that failed them before.
Good job.
But… I’m guessing you’re not aware of the whole DNC consultant class that continues to drive failing campaigns that fail to get votes but succeed in getting billionaires contributions that get given to the consultant class so they can buy their next yacht. None of this is hidden either, it is public.
Which makes the irony of an ignorant person like you repeating the lines that fail to win votes but maintains the jobs of the people failing calling other people children.
EDIT: You’re like a musk fanboi with a paid for blue checkmark. Difference is that the musk fanboi at least knows they’re a fanboi.
You seem to have extrapolated quite a lot from such a brief comment. Is it possible you may have misstepped in some of your assumptions here?
Did you call the people pointing out the DNC was headed for disaster children, or were you calling the people who failed at their job children?
The children are the people vehemently demanding the DNC unilaterally employ their chosen platform, under the pretense that it would instantly solve their problems, and then subsequently abstaining out of protest. The political landscape is more complicated than that.
I’ve said elsewhere, elections are won on popularity, not policy. If the DNC unilaterally shifts to a pro-worker platform, all their wealthy donors shift to attack ads against them. Adopting more popular policies can ironically lose them votes as those policies get misrepresented to voters by propagandists.
Add to that the habit of progressives to abstain when a platform isn’t perfectly catered to them, and you have an impossible situation where you’re trying to court multiple conflicting demographics while the financial support you once had has been turned against you.
So let me get this straight:
The Democratic Party snubs the left— even the progressives. They court the right wing, parading the Cheneys around.
The democrats lose.
The rightwing voters get riled up by the mask-off hatred, while their politicians straight up lie to Muslims and Latino people, winning some of their votes.
The democrats lose ground across the board. Their entire turnout was depressed. No matter how many times they learned their views were losing them votes, they refuse to budge on the issues they were undoubtedly wrong about. The fuckin meme says “we didn’t vote for genocide!!!” We can all agree voting…for genocide is…bad, right?
And you’re blaming the people who were ignored and told once again to go fuck themselves? Because they couldn’t stomach voting for people publicly and unflinchingly supporting the genocide.
Not the lying fascists, not the losing party for being told they were going to fail and still failing?
This is exactly how you continue to fail and lose to fascists.
And im telling you right now. History won’t look back and say “those fools! They didn’t vote because of a teensy little genocide!” They will say “all of those people stood by while a holocaust was happening.”
Not a doubt in my mind.
This is your brain on the two party system. His team lost, but it can’t be his teams fault because it’s his team, you see?
So someone is voting tactically because they’re acknowledging the consequences of a FPTP voting system. And you point at the butterfly and ask “is that tribalism?”
Yes, you’re an idiot for voting tactically instead of telling harris and the DNC to fuck off with genocide and shitty economic policies. We’ve covered this many times but you’re adament that your way (which lost btw) is still correct.
I’m not US-American I’m not what you US-Americans call a “liberal”.
I’m a German Anarchist who believes in harm reduction over accelerationism.
How did letting Trump win help to end genocide? In what way does having an administration that literally says Palestine shouldn’t exist and Israel should finish the job and kill all the Palestinians inprove the situation?
When there’s a fire, something should be done about it, absolutely. But allowing Trump to wind the Presidency is adding gasoline, wind, and dynamite to the Palestinian fire while also unleashing firebombs on Iran and murdering the fire brigade in Ukraine.
How do you reconcile allowing all this death with your principles?
Yes you should ask yourself and harris/dnc how letting trump win by campaigning on a genocide and shitty economy policies was a good idea.
Kamala “Frack the Planet” Harris was not going to save the planet.
I’m comfortable with my decision to not vote for genocide, and I will continue to not vote for warhawks.
You did vote for genocide though. You can tell yourself whatever it is that you think you need to hear in order to preserve your sanity, but you are directly, partly, responsible for what happens next.
I hope you will be paying attention.
And if Harris would have won, and if she would have nominated Mike Huckabee, and if she would have been doing the things that Trump is about to do in the coming months, I would be saying and feeling the same way about myself.
It’s called being honest with yourself. You should try it sometime.
Actually, if we are all in agreement that the two major parties both pushed genocide, then by me voting third party, I actually used two votes against genocide by not voting either for trump or kamala. Gee, lib math sure is fun.
What is “lib math”?
I do know that actual math shows that there were no third parties this election that had a mathematical chance to win. They were not on enough ballots.
You threw your vote away, which, when fascism is on the ballot, is a vote for fascism. You are a fascist.
But hey, whatever you need to tell yourself to sleep once you actually see the actual, tangible results of Trump’s win in Palestine coming this January.
So all the Arab and Muslim Americans in Dearborn who withheld votes for kamala - you know, the ones who got tired of seeing their brothers and sisters blown to shit in Lebanon and Palestine - are they fascists?
It’s cute watching you try to reconcile fascism in your country while following the exact historical blueprint that liberals always do when fascism comes knocking: punch left, blame minorities. I know which side you’ll be on when shit gets volatile. Textbook liberal naivety, with zero understanding of history or the conditions that lead to fascism.
Yes, they unwittingly supported fascists. The ones who have since come out and admitted that they were fooled are not fascists.
The rest, yes. They are. Sorry if that offends you or something.
If you have a table with 10 people eating, and 9 of them are fascists: you have a table of 10 fascists.
They thrive on useful idiots. It’s a vital aspect of taking and holding power.
I’m not a fucking liberal, I’m just not deluded. Jesus fucking Christ, leftists are so insufferable. This is why we never get anything done. Bullshit infighting and purity tests.
And it’s so easy for anyone with interest in destabilizing any possible opposition to what is essentially become a one-party state, to stir shit up.
Just plant the seed, and watch the left eat itself like it always does.
Tell me, how are we to address these Arab and Muslim American fascists? What’s the course of action for these fascists that didn’t vote for kamala?
I voted 3rd party and you can too
You voted for Donald Trump by throwing your vote away on a party that literally could not, mathematically, win.
You threw your vote away by voting for Harris who literally could not, mathematically, win.
If more people like you voted 3rd party they would have a chance but instead you insist on voting for dems who run terrible campaigns with candidates that no one wants.
Friendly reminder that Joe Biden is still the president and could stop sending weapons to Israel right now if he wanted to. But he doesn’t.
Thank god Trump is taking over right.
Your candidate couldn’t promise to stop sending weapons to an active genocide. That one thing to you would of won her the election and you still don’t blame her for not doing it? Crazy logic. Guess you too really wanted to continue that genocide. Taking it off the table isn’t even an option to you.
I am being rhetorical. Of course you probably don’t support the continued genocide of the Gazan people. But the democrats inability to give it up themselves lost the election. And you wanna be mad at random online leftists instead of that. It feels like you haven’t really considered what happened and more are just angry and lashing out. Take care of yourself friend and think about who lost this election and why.
The point is you now have trump instead. Who’ll be just as bad if not worse. It wasn’t the only issue and you have really fucked yourselves.
No, the DNC fucked everyone. place blame were it belongs. just because we told you what was about to happen doesn’t mean we caused it.
Yeah, maybe the liberals who were out to brunch for the last four years might suddenly start giving a shit again. JK who am I kidding, the only thing liberals are capable of is marching around with signs peacefully while pissing their pants.
As ineffectual as the democrat party they simp for. Pathetic.
I’ve never met a single person in my life who “simps” for the Democratic party. These are not real people you are referring to.
The vote blue no matter who crowd are indeed simps for the democrat party. We swear after this election - the mOsT iMpOrTaNt EvEr - we’ll push them left!!!
It’s interesting to see, now that the dust has settled, the astroturfing has ended, and all that’s left are the useful idiots who bought into that bullshit and are beginning to unravel. Flailing about to grasp at anything that will allow you to continue to ignore the cognitive dissonance you’re experiencing…
I think, come February, we’re going to see a lot of these accounts disappear and/or acting more and more erratic as they see the results, in Palestine, of their wasted (or non-) vote.
Good luck. It’s going to be rough for everyone, but I can’t imagine having to wrestle with actually being partially responsible… I know that I would be ashamed, personally.
I would feel much greater shame, as a Jew and gender non conforming queer woman no less, in supporting a genocider.
America is such a great country full of excess that we had not one but two genociders to choose from!
So I hope you voted for Harris, because the three other choices (voting Trump, voting third party, or not voting) were for fascists who want you dead.
The only people making noise are the centrists looking to blame everyone but themselves for a sweep of all the levers of government, and a gradual loss of the judiciary that will doom the republic. It was an epic asswipping of historic proportions with you lot leading and owning the losing strategy. You dont even have the diginity to be embarrassed about it.
You geniuses lost voters across every single demographic except college educated whites, flatly ignored the economic hardship of the lower and middle class and told people they were delusional to talk about it, and on top of that they enabled and participated in obvious far right war crimes. You lost minority and youth support and trust across the board. And you have no way of earning it back beyond your same tired playbook of being slightly better than Trump, on just a few issues.
Even if Harris had done the right, legal, moral thing and indicated she’d halt the shipments, she still would have lost on her idiotic low-polling economic policy that polled the same as Joe Bidens presidency. So you all supported war crimes and soiled the dem name for basically no gain at all. You doomed the republic, soiled the global understanding of “democracy”, and showed the western world order to be a hollow shell of what it once was, where laws and justice dont really matter. All so the DNC elites could take some zionist bribes on a single election cycle, which you then lost. Heck of a job. Its hard to imagine screwing the globe any more thoroughly. Its breathtaking. You couldnt have done a more thorough job if you were maga republican fascists yourselves.
I completely disagree and I think you’re missing the big picture. Progressivism collapsed under its own weight this year. You need to go back a few months earlier. Progressive candidates for down ballot races got absolutely decimated in their primaries.
Yes, economic hardship absolutely was the leading factor. Whether you wish to believe it or not, voters were blaming far-left/progressive policies for the economic mess. That’s the messaging Trump ran on, and that’s the messaging that won. Plain and simple.
Things were so bad for progressives that they had nothing left to champion other than justice for Palestine. The outrage against student loan forgiveness was absolutely brutal. Treating homelessness became an unmanageable and very noticeable problem. Hospitals are literally failing and there wasn’t a peep about Medicare for all. Hell, not once did progressives talk about increasing minimum wage this year.
I believe progressives are misinterpreting the voter alignment on defunding Israel. It’s absolutely wild progressives don’t talk to actual voters. The overall sentiment is isolationism. In other words, complete apathy towards genocide as long as it doesn’t cost me my wallet.
Yes, it was the non-existent progressive policies on the ballot this year and not the fact harris tried to go balls deep into republicanism and got absolutely destroyed for it except for the voters who apparently are fine committing genocide.
Front page of Lemmy is just as bad as the front page of reddit lmao
Okay?
Leave.
Real Talk, I’m getting real tired of everyone from the vaguely right of center to the farthest reaches of the left getting involved in this shit slinging blame game.
I legit don’t care anymore who you voted for (edit: so long as it wasn’t Trump I mean. But even then, time to start your redemption arc if you did). We are past the election and now all share the same immediate issues.
Folks who abstained from voting (or voted 3rd party) because you couldn’t stomach the lesser of two evils, good news, that choice is gone. You can stop parroting the idea that anyone who voted Blue did so “in support of genocide”. It should be clear by now those who voted Blue really were just doing their best in a bad situation, they are not your enemies.
Folks who voted Blue because you believe supporting the lesser evil is in service of the greater good. Good news, that burden is also gone. You can stop parroting the idea that someone who can’t stomach voting for people who would play politics with genocide is really just a tankie or a bot. Not every one is willing to play game theory with people’s lives, that doesn’t mean they are your enemies.
Anyone who truly wants to push for solidarity and human rights for all is an ally of mine. And I propose we bury the hatchet, preferably in the objectives of fascists, before its too late.
I’d rather keep up the blame game, ngl. Arguments didn’t work on the disingenuous pricks who helped get us here. I don’t care if they personally made a difference or not, I care that they were utterly unreasonable, and the change in circumstances won’t change that.
Speaking to anyone who could’ve voted for Kamala but didn’t: I don’t care about solidarity anymore; you didn’t have solidarity with us when we needed you. Y’all are fucking stupid and I don’t want to deal with that. I realize that’s not the moral choice, but RN for the first time in over a decade I don’t care about that. I’m angry. Maybe in a few more days or weeks or months that will change, maybe not. Right now I’m focusing on making sure all my remaining friends are able to get somewhere safe if the need arises and keep hope kindled in their hearts. Maybe that means other people who need my help more will suffer, die, or fall victim to their own despair, but I just don’t have the wherewithal to make that my priority.
I don’t care about solidarity anymore
Never did. Solidarity means you aren’t willing to sacrifice marginalized groups to get ahead or save your own skin. If you accept sacrificing Palestinians, you’d accept sacrificing any other group by the exact same “lesser-evilist” logic. What value does that kind of “solidarity” have?
To be fair, for many the choice to save or sacrifice Palestine never felt like it was on the table. For those people, the choice was between making a deal with the devil to save as many marginalized groups as possible, or sacrificing said marginalized groups to keep their “hands clean”.
I believe both sides of this argument felt like they were pushing for solidarity the best way they knew how. And due to the emotionally charged nature of this choice, we wound up losing all solidarity ironically.
If you truly believe in solidarity, then try to see the human on the other side of the screen and be the first to reach out and mend the cracks.
Here’s the thing. I’m trans. On our own, we represent a tiny sliver of the voting public, not worth considering from a strategic standpoint. But there are plenty of other groups of people in the same boat. Together, we are worth considering - but only together. “What force on earth is weaker than the feeble strength of one?” If we try to build a coalition in which we abandon any group that the democratic politicians deem too much of a liability to be worth protecting, that is no coalition at all, and I well understand that after Palestinians, I will be next. The very same logic that these people were willing to deploy against them can and will be deployed to justify abandoning me and mine.
What advantage do I gain from joining together in a “coalition” in “solidarity” with these fair-weather friends who will drop us at the first sign of trouble? Honestly, they are more of a liability than an asset, because if I’m buddying up with them, it damages my credibility among potentially more reliable people who have good reason not to trust them. I would rather do it the right way and build trust even if it means building from the ground up.
I appreciate what you’re trying to do, but these disagreements are meaningful and important. This election may be over, but the question remains of what the appropriate strategy is going forward, whether to build a coalition that will treat an offense against one as an offense against all, and ensure that anyone who comes for any part of it is unelectable, or whether to “vote blue no matter who” as we are picked off one-by-one, in exchange for temporary, short term security for some.
I get your points and they are well taken. Just be careful not to swing at ghosts so hard that you hit those who would have made great allies.
Not every one who voted Blue is a “fair-weather friend”. Frankly, I bet you would be surprised with how many would be willing to push for something better if given the opportunity.
And sometimes, people just need to be given the chance. The disagreements are meaningful, but the shit slinging is not. And I’m afraid we have traded in meaningful discussion for pure shit slinging.
Every ‘Vote Blue No Matter Who’ absolutely are fair weather friends. it means you don’t actually understand what you’re voting for and have no principles for which you’d hold the line. If you wouldn’t hold the line for a group experiencing a genocide you are not worth putting our group on the line for.
You can absolutely continue to try papering over what the DNC and dems like the OP just did to the palestinians but there isnt an argument on this blue earth that will result in my forgiving of it. The only option for those individuals is repentance.
I think it is important to point out the failings of others. Otherwise they may not connect the dots and learn from their mistakes.
Sometimes a mistake is innocent, say you forgot to zip up your fly. It’s important to know you forgot to do so as it could be very socially embarrassing.
Sometimes one could accidentally cut someone off in traffic because they didn’t see them. A good honk notifies them of their mistake and will hopefully drive home the fact that they probably need to pay better attention to traffic.
Pointing out that abstaining and or choosing not to vote enabled the election of the greater of two evils is equally important.
Rock on OP. Never let them forget!
Then point at the FAILED DEMOCRAT PARTY instead of voters. When biden announced he was running for re-election their own internal polling showed he’d lose. They don’t fucking care, it’s all theatre to them. Their corporate owners are happy and the donations continue to flow in from foolish rubes like you who will gladly vote blue no matter who right off a fucking cliff.
Kamala Harris spent a billion dollars and still fucking lost. But yeah go blame voters that will ensure the same thing happens in 2028 should we be so lucky to pretend to play democracy again. And it is pretend. Because if you don’t vote correctly you’re the worst person to ever exist.
I’ve been repeating this thought exercise because people seem to have a hard time delineating when blame goes the other way.
Bob is standing next to a bomb, and a fuse is sparking down. Jill, on the other side of a fence and reliant on Bob, lifts a huge very expensive sign for Bob to stamp out the fuse. Bob does not stamp out the fuse, bomb goes off.
Who is at fault; Bob for not stamping out the fuse, or Jill for not getting a high-amp bullhorn to inform Bob he should stamp the fuse?
Feel free to vary the analogy, but the question would extend to: When does it become Bob’s fault that he didn’t take action?
It remains the democrats fault for:
• gaslighting the public about inflation
• gaslighting the public about not one but two new wars including a genocide!
• refusing to run a small D democratic primary that they didn’t rig since checks notes 2004 (they tried to rig 2008 for Hillary but failed because Obama was so charismatic they couldn’t stop him)
• refusing to run a primary at all in 2024, despite biden promising when elected in 2020 to be a one term president, and his own polling showed he’d lose in 2024
• last minute Hail Mary of replacing biden with Harris despite not a single vote being cast for her
• no platform other than “we’re not trump! Elect an anti-democratic party to save democracy! Trumps the next hitler!!!”
• didn’t bother campaigning in swing states just like Hillary in 2016
Gee I wonder why they lost the election. Couldn’t be that they continuously gaslight the public. Couldn’t be that they didn’t hold a primary (sorry but RFK Jr vanity run is not a primary). No, no. Voters just voted wrong!
But don’t worry! We have to save dEmOcRaCy! Let’s just roll over and hand the power over to trump because he won fair and square and optics and politeness are more important than saving the country! You see, the democrat party doesn’t actually give a shit, if they were serious, they would have their own January 6th. They’re not serious. They’re gonna fundraise off of it. Just like roe v Wade!
no platform other than “we’re not trump! Elect an anti-democratic party to save democracy! Trumps the next hitler!!!
Yeah? Why do you need a platform beyond this?
It was a competent former prosecutor vs a serially lying violent felon.
Hot take: Withholding voting for either party is a valid form of protest when neither party is standing for its people.
If they want to win the support of their constituents, its high time to change how the party is going to operate going forward.
Hot take: “withholding” a vote simply eliminates your voice in the political system, meaning you no longer matter in any way.
When the choice is between 100% Hitler and 99% Hitler, you vote for 99% Hitler.
My vote is for not having any Hitlers. Lesser of two evils is not the world we want to work towards.
Do you lack the ability to fathom how stepwise change works?
When you can get 1% better you take it, and then take the next 1% and the next and the next.
Apathy until something is 75% better as a step wise improvement means you will never see it.
They are certainly responsible for Trump doing what they will do. No amount of mental gymnastics can make that go away. You had a vote, it was what it was, you had to accept reality or live in a bubble roleplaying that your vote was something it was not.
Oh, don’t worry, their mental gymnastics will allow them to smugly blame the DNC while the world falls to pieces.
They’ll fart into their glasses and huff while recounting how it was the DEMS fault for being unattractive, even while the fascists dismantle the checks and balances, pass a federal ban on abortion, Russia slaughters Ukrainian men, women, and elderly by the thousands and ships their children off to Russia to be prepatrioted.
They’ll say Isreal would have done the same under Harris as they completely repell or slaughter the remaining Palestinians out of the west bank and move on to Lebenon.
They’ll shrug as hundreds of thousands of immigrants, illegal or otherwise, and rounded up and thrown in camps or shipped over the border with no recourse besides an intentionally ineffective appeals process if they actually happened to be here legally.
Etc. Etc.
They’ll just blame it on the Dems. Just like they have done since 2016. And they’ll feel great about it.
DNC couldn’t promise not to assist a genocide. Is that not crazy to you? Does the fact leftists didn’t vote really come higher on your “that’s crazy” meter than both parties being pro genocide just differing on degrees of genocide? No self reflection about that?
There will be none, because they’re okay with the genocide. long as its not here. Well guess what dweebs it might be here now. enjoy.
First they came for the Palestinians, but I was not a Palestinian so I did not speak out…
damn straight we will. run shit candidates get shit results. this is a story as old as time. we tried to make all of you dweebs see reason but you failed and as a result harris was unable to win. we were literally screaming she was going to lose with her campaign if she didn’t shift boats.
I’m sorry we understood the state of play better than you guys.
Trump is responsible for what Trump is going to do. In fact, he was responsible for what he did back in 2020 as well. And the justice system responsible for putting him behind bars didn’t do what it was supposed to either.
Trying to blame Trump’s nonsense on people who didn’t vote for either party is divisive and propaganda. Rather the people should collectively hold those in power accountable for their actions (or lack thereof)
Trying to blame Trump’s nonsense on people who didn’t vote for either party is divisive and propaganda.
And convincing people that voting for a third party in a two party system … isn’t propaganda?
This isn’t rocket science, it’s just the train dilemma. If you know that Trump is going to do more harm and do not engage in harm mitigation then you are in some part responsible for not mitigating the harm.
You can’t just declare yourself innocent and be innocent. We all pay taxes that are currently being used to murder children.
Lol, the two party system isn’t a logical fallacy…
It’s so weird. Gaza is extremely important and deserving of the attention. It’s genocide, and it’s horrific. But is no one else important? Because we can’t save Gaza immediately, it’s really better to set outselevs on fire so we can burn together? Like, real talk, Harris will be fine. Biden will be fine. It’s our friends and neighbors who are going to be deported, harassed, laid off, homeless and scared for a minimum of four years.
I wouldn’t say they’re gone though. I’ve been down voted, told “my kind/type” are all talk, or that I’m okay with murder, I voted for genocide, the usual. But I couldn’t sit and do nothing.
But I guess this is what they wanted. The dems have been taught a lesson, we’re moving headfirst into a dictatorship, and Gaza is no safer, but their conscious is clear, somehow.
Out of curiosity, what wouldn’t you be willing to compromise on? If I had a party wanting to kill your mom and dad and another who just wants to kill your dad, would you make that compromise?
Perhaps a better, real-world example is that this moral calculus says that the Democrats should abandon trans people and trans issues. The logic is inescapable: Trans issues turn away a lot of voters, and it’s a really strong talking point for the other party. If they win, the Democrats could protect the LGB community, and women’s rights.
Surely it’s better to protect the LGB community and women’s rights, but not trans people, than to protect none of them, right?
(NB: This is rhetorical. I don’t believe it.)
It’s not rhetorical. It’s literally currently being proposed as a strategy by the “Harris went too woke” crowd.
Oh Lord… 😔
Who will they tip over the side next?
whomever they think they can blame and get away with it.
I guess we could start saying to those people “I guess you hate LGBT” and “you’re complicit with refugees being deported” and “good job putting the last nail in the coffin of reproductive rights”. I mean, somehow they couldn’t say shit about those issues, just “OMG JOR BIDEN GENOCIDE” and ignored that letting Trump take office would be worse for Palestine as well as terrible about the aforementioned issues. Odd.
We didn’t ignore those issues child. They were directly related to gaza. A willingness to throw palestinians under the genocide steam roller is the same as the willingness to throw LGBT+, etc.
Hell harris couldn’t even speak plainly about transgender medical care. The only reason she didn’t do it is because she thought that would lose her the election where the Palestinians wouldn’t.
we’re busy doing the things we need to do since you twits couldn’t run a non-genocidal candidate.
I have not been quiet. The writing’s on the wall. First undocumented immigrants, and the democrats are going after trans people next, and I can’t stand it.
