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But not in America after this. Companies might make products only for the American market.
It works the other way around too. A place with fewer restrictions becomes a dumping ground for products that don’t meet modern standards.
Here’s an example. When the EU announced the Restriction of Hazardous Substances directive (RoHS), you couldn’t sell electronics that contain lead. However, you could still manufacture them and ship them to China. This means that you could also manufacture energy intensive electric junk in EU and other countries and sell all of it in USA.
Yeah lesser cheaper and probably less safer products
The issue I was going to have soon, was going to be the HVAC one. The only way manufacturers have managed to really meet the Biden efficiency standards has been to make the units bigger. I have no space left at all to get a bigger unit in my utility closet. When my almost 20 year old unit goes out, I was going to be kind of screwed. There’s nowhere to put “bigger”. I already have to bend the filter when it’s halfway out just to change it.
I’ve never understood this. If your appliances use less energy, you save money on energy. How is that ever a bad thing? Who wants something that costs more to operate (other than those ‘rolling coal’ idiots)?
Because, from conservative perspective, anything that incorrectly influences a corporation to do something is seen as a bad thing.
These “energy savings” cost corporations gazillions of dollars that they could use for
stock buybacks and dividendsfostering innovation.Because poor people don’t really get to choose their appliances. Meanwhile the fossil fuel industry and landlords laugh all the way to the bank.
Landlords don’t care about energy use. Wtf u smoking
Exactly, that’s the point.
They’ll save 50 cents to buy the least efficient stove even if it means you breath in 10x more carbon monoxide.
To expand on this for clarity, there are lots of cases where the person selecting and paying for the appliance isn’t the person paying the eventual utility bills.
Landlords, builders like DH Horton, property flippers, etc.
Your washing machine doesn’t have a V8?
Soyboi
My washing machine is powered by endangered Snow Leopards forced to turn a large wheel.
Pfah, weak. A coal powered turbine delivers superior performance, and coal is cheaper than snow leopard food.
Yes, but I’m generating way more cruelty units than you
Bah, my washing machine runs on disabled veterans walking in a giant hamster wheel
The perception among idiots is that there’s a trade-off with performance
Sometimes there is usually there isn’t.
The trap is that often times when there is a performance difference, a change in behavior can accommodate fairly reasonably.
For example, a hybrid hot water heater in its most efficient mode will (sometimes) recover heat slower than a pure electric or gas heater. That generally only matters for showers, so a shorter shower can overcome the slower recovery.
Who wants something that costs more to operate (other than those ‘rolling coal’ idiots)?
The people charging you to operate the thing, of course.
Right wingers use populist rhetoric (and tons of scapegoating) to get people to vote for their own destruction. They keep us all fighting each other so we don’t notice the only minority ruining our country is them.
Most people just look at purchase price.
Very short term thinking:
Saving money is hypothetical and future
Meanwhile you’re instantly effected by
- higher initial price
- longer operating time
- lower water flow.
All this political catastrophe is feeding immediate visceral emotions at the cost of the future
Devil’s advocate, because I do believe we should keep energy star, the high efficiency stuff is often less effective at it’s job. Sure, a water heater is a water heater. But low end and mid range HE dishwashers and clothes washers are less effective. Low flow toilets have more problems.
Energy star is absolutely worth it all told, but there is bad with the good.
Also, there’s no reason some of the the stuff should cost that much more. In a dishwasher, it’s putting in smaller pumps and a turbidity sensor.
It’s because corporations, seeking profit, will find the absolute cheapest way to get the star.
Then consumers, seeking savings, buy the absolute cheapest option that has their desired level of superfluous features they can find.
You end up with refrigerators that can tweet, but the compressor grenades itself 2 week out of the 1 year warranty.
I think it’s good to have some 3rd party organization, as in besides the manufacturer and consumer, imposing some restrictions that weed out companies that cut too many corners on engineering a product or are just low skilled at engineering things.
Like cars for example. The average mpg of cars has pretty much doubled in the last 15 or 20 years, which is insane for such a mature industry. They were forced to adapt and get creative by lawmakers making emissions requirements more strict. It shows that automakers could have been doing more in decades past.
It would be nice if the government wasn’t actually trying to squash efficiency. A third party could totally take it over and consumers that care would definitely purchase based on their badging.
If up front costs were the same everyone would choose the energy efficient appliance. However, usually the energy efficient appliance costs more up front. Many people don’t think in terms of long term costs, only short term monthly payments. I wish it weren’t that way but it really is.
Maybe 25 years ago… But walk into a Best Buy and see if you can find a full sized kitchen appliance that doesn’t have an “Energy Star” logo.
Maybe it’s just the state I live in…?
I was thinking more of permanent home appliances like a furnace, water heater, etc.
Just because those are there (I assumed it was a legal requirement), doesn’t mean most people actually factor in the difference.
My point is that appliances without the rating don’t appear to exist (in my part of the US) anymore. I’m sure they will test the waters and see if ending the program hurts their sales at all… As someone who remembers when that program started becoming popular, I do think that people would take it into account. They used to at least, before it became the norm (which is why it became the norm, by the way, before it was required).
Because they don’t function as well.
For heat pump HVAC systems, the only way to make them efficient enough to meet the requirements that were coming into effect up to now was to make them physically larger. My utility room has zero space left that could fit a larger unit. My current one isn’t looking so hot and is nearly 20 years old. I wasn’t sure what I was going to be able to do when it was going to need replaced. The standard exceeded affordable capabilities of technology.
As to washing machines. They use less water, but they also take longer and kinda suck, now.
Some of the new designs are just bad at what they’re supposed to do. I replaced a 25 year old dishwasher recently and the new one I bought is terrible at actually washing dishes. I’d gladly pay a few dollars more in energy/water to not have to hand scrub all my bowls.
Someone needs to watch technology connections.
If you’re talking about the episode about prewash and detergent amounts, I’ve already seen it and it’s not helping.
Run the tap water to get to hot water. Clean the filter. Run one of those cleaning tablets to dissolve calcium buildup.
if I remember correctly the #1 most important tip he wanted you leave with was to run the hot water before starting the cycle so the prewash uses hot water. But, it sounds like your dishwasher is just crap.
Idiocracy gave us too much credit
Lol, they thought it would be a black guy!
they tought he would be open minded to solutions lol
Hmm okay his race is relevant, apparently?
Trump’s race matters. Let this be Obama, he caught hell for a tan suit. Imagine Obama quoting marxist material. They would burn the white house down.
I see what you mean now. Yeah, ironic eh?
Shit I wish we were progressive enough to have a black guy destroy the US
Just in time for expensive ass electricity when you really want your appliances to be using less energy!
ass electricity
Glad my ass runs on gas instead of electric. /j
Its almost like they don’t want people to be able to make informed decisions about things.
edit: obligatory xkcd: https://xkcd.com/37/
Glad my ass runs on gas
Haven’t upgraded to the nuclear fission powered ass?
It runs on enriched microwave burritos and, while safe storage of the byproducts of the process is still an issue, it emits significantly fewer greenhouse gases than your regular gas-powered ass
I don’t recommend ass fissures
Those only happen when you reach critical mass, if you know what I mean 😉
I thought we were in an energy crisis? Ffs
The so-called energy crisis is another liberal lie, like climate change, black lives matter, gender, women’s rights, gravity, etc.
Good thing you threw in gravity… For a second there, I thought you were being sarcastic!
I just keep changing my consumption based on Trump’s twitter feed, it’s been a hell of a ride
I was actually bummed to have to stop eating McDonald’s. It was my go to comfort fast food. Between Trump’s photo op and Luigi, I just can’t support them anymore.
Gotta prevent those windmills from giving you cancer!
Good luck with your impending hermitage, I guess 🤷
Yeah but why?
Like seriously, why would you want your appliances to get worse? This is obviously nice for manufacturers, but this obviously is shit for consumers and the environment.
Badically… Who votes for THIS?
The manufacturer votes … With their wallets I guess ?
Ok, but it’s kinda too late for it to have any tangible effect - customers expect appliances to work better and third parties already perform reviews on them
This is mostly meat for morons
What utter horse shit. Prices for appliances won’t go down so much as single cent, meanwhile it will cost more to run them. Great job, MAGA fuckwits.
Lower prices? Best i can do is poison you with a crappy gas stove.
Regression is a top MAGAt priority.
