Young Americans are piling the blame for their student debt balances on conservatives, according to a poll by Generation Lab provided exclusively to Axios.
ok, so vote the bastards out!
oh wait, you cant - electoral college doesnt care about your votes and the supreme court doesnt either
rofl
Let me shill for the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, which aims to bypass the Electoral College and elect the president by popular vote. It just passed in Minnesota, and is 75% of the way to its goal.
In Michigan it’s currently in the Upper Legislature committee, so if you’re in the state contact your state senator to support it
We literally have a Democrat president right now, so how exactly does the electoral college disregard the votes of the young?
Biden would not be President without Gen Z voters.
The dumb part is that your vote only matters if you live in certain places. Trump and Bush should never have become Presidents in the first place.
If you’re a Republican in rural California, it doesn’t matter. Nor if you’re a young Gem Z Democrat in California who voted after your favorite candidate was already guaranteed. Your vote doesn’t help offset a vote in Alabama or Wyoming or whatever for the opposite candidate. Your vote would matter more if you moved to a red or purple state.
We can pretend it’s democratic, but for “the land of the free” always talking about trying to spread democracy everywhere, the US is actually a pretty sucky and underwhelming system.
Gore never became President. Did you maybe mean Bush?
I have a lot of problems with the Electoral College, but voting absolutely still has impact and the number of states that have become “battlegrounds” is increasing, rather than decreasing, as more people vote.
Beyond that, local elections absolutely matter, as book bans, trans legislation etc very clearly shows.
But again, yes, the EC is absolutely ridiculous and stupid.
I meant, Bush lol. Corrected. If only we had Gore.
And yes, I think people should still vote. But I understand people who get disillusioned with our system, too. It’s a dumb system designed to squash their voice. The Founders said so.
On the other hand, that doesn’t mean they should do nothing. It means they should vote local, like you said, or get educated and organize in other ways.
The whole point of the Electoral College was to be undemocratic iirc. They wanted the “elite” to vote and never envisioned a world like today. The senate is similar, California and Wyoming have the same amount of votes in the Senate even though there are a lot more people in California than Wyoming.
The house even capped their members at one point, I think big populated states like NY and CA should dwarf smaller states but we can’t go above a certain number of House Reps.Just all over our government it tries to be “fair” to states, ignoring actual people. I don’t know how to fix it though. I don’t think direct democracy with 300+ million people is gonna work and even though the GOP is rotten and immoral and awful, it wouldn’t exactly be fair that ~40 million Californians stomped on everything 500k Wyomese wanted at the federal level.
wouldn’t exactly be fair that ~40 million Californians stomped on everything 500k Wyomese
Thats what the fucking senate is for, why the hell is the house capped? /ranting
Did a little reading on this, here’s what I found:
The house has been “capped” or at least limited in size the whole time actually!
The Number of Representatives shall not exceed one for every thirty Thousand, but each State shall have at Least one Representative;
Now that we count everyone and not just white people, that’d be a max somewhere in the range of 11000 representatives without a constitutional amendment.
11000 is probably too many people to try and assemble in one room and come to any sort of consensus, so you’d have to artificially lower the number somehow.
It turns out that the legislature is allowed to set it’s own size, but both the House and the Senate have to agree. The current size of 435 members comes from the Reapportionment Act of 1929, so it’s been established for a while.
I think my favorite option is the “Wyoming Rule” and it works like this: smallest state gets one representative, and everyone else gets representatives based on how many times their population is more than that of the smallest state. Under that rule the house would have 574 members, which still feels like a relatively reasonable amount of people
e: herp derp,you never had to own land to be counted
There was never a time in US history where only landowners could vote. The idea was discussed and discraded as unworkable. What did happen was states were allowed to put that restriction in place. Few states did and eventually the law was changed to ban that
You know, if I had looked at the paragraph before the one I quoted I’d have gotten it right the first time. Edited to fix
What you’re describing actually removed the limited ability for both women and blacks to vote In outlying cases. States that tied voting rights to property ownership alone were, in my opinion, the ones actually taking the high road at the time…
“Discarded as unworkable” indeed…
The point of the EC was to preserve slavery. Which it did for decades.
I guess we’ll see if he can last more than a single term
If he doesn’t, and it’s because Gen Z numbers tank, that supports my argument even further
It’s not the votes of the young that get diminished, it’s the political minority depending on state.
Conservative voter in California? Your vote doesn’t matter.
Liberal voter in Arkansas? Your vote doesn’t matter.
As they should…
Democrats can at least pretend being dumb. Conservatives not even that. And considering they do not offer any other plan for neoslaves…
Can someone parse this for me?
Do not go into the darkness. The tinfoil is strong with that one.
Democrats pretend to be dumb sometimes and republicans can’t pretend because they are dumb?
I don’t really understand the second sentence at all. Just a bunch of nonsense.
As they should
Yep. Congress gave the U.S. Secretary of Education the right to do it. But the terrorist party and their illegitimate puppets in SCOTUS decided that, no, a Constitutional law passed by Congress was not valid because… reasons. Can’t let those “libs” ever enact something that is popular, fair, legal, and beneficial…
So yes, everyone should blame SCOTUS and the GOP because they are solely responsible for putting us all in this horrible position.
I’m borderline on this. At some point Trump (or someone like him) will be back in power.
The law is intended to be used during an emergency for: “waiv[ing] or modify[ing] any statutory or regulatory provision”
If you read that literally, it means that Trump could literally make the provision say absolutely anything during an unrelated emergency. Clearly that isn’t the intent.
I’m all for student loan forgiveness… but I mainly blame congress for this. They wrote a crap ambiguous law which SCOTUS needed to determine the bounds of.
Low education take… Learn how the constiution works and spending power.
Also… If your beloved party wanted to do this… Why did they not do so when they controlled both house and presidency?
Asking for a friend.
“Beloved party”
See, that’s one of the many many problems with you fucking idiots. We dont belove our party. Or idolize politicians. Or hang flags or buy wearable merchandise supporting fascists.
We just hate what you represent.
I like how you assume that I’m a proponent of another right-wing political party solely because I pointed out that a different one is a violent, fascist, criminal, terrorist organization.
I only see you trying to hold accountable the “right-wingers”
do you job equitably and nobody would complain…
I only see you trying to hold accountable the “right-wingers”
Yes, because I am a leftist and there are no leftist political parties in the US. Anyone that thinks the DNC is remotely “leftist” has been swayed so far to the right that they can’t imagine there’s an entire world of politics on the other side of the DNCs milquetoast center-right authortiarian-lite platform.
Fine there is no leftist politics in the US…
So here we are circle jerking it online about left and right…
All right wing policies, ideals, and platforms are bad. The right is about consolidated vertical authority (monarchy, fascism, authoritarianism, etc) and the left is about distributed horizontal authority (democracy, socialism, egalitarianism, etc).
But in the US, where all politics is controlled by two ruling right wing parties, only one of those parties is SO FAR TO THE RIGHT that they pose an immediate existential threat to life, liberty, freedom, and societal stability.
I do not support the DNC, but I vehemently oppose the GOP. They are not the same. Don’t assume people support the DNC just because they are trying to prevent the GOP from establishing the Fourth Reich.
To do something equitably when reality is not equitable is disengineous and immoral
Bullshit, you don’t have any friends.
Yeah. What asshole is going to blame someone else?
I blame the Democrats in Congress for not passing a bill to forgive debt through the Senate.
The Biden executive order was blatantly unconstitutional, conservative SCOTUS super majority or not. Congress needs to get off their ass. Once they pass it in the Senate we can blame the House GOP until it lands on Biden’s desk.
Democrats are not in control of Congress. The House is currently R controlled and they barely have the votes in the Senate due to Sinema and Manchin.
when was the last time they were?
bro leave, stop posting
So you won’t answer the question?
bwahahahaha he thinks it’s worth the mental gymnastics
Please explain how the Secretary of Education using powers explicitly granted by an act passed by Congress is unconstitutional. Or is that just a word you like to use to mean “something I don’t agree with and have been told to hate”?
The core issue is the Secretary did not have that power. It’s the entire reason Biden’s debt forgiveness fell through.
Do you also blame Santa Claus for not hiding Easter Eggs?
Do you know what holding your politician accountable means?
Republicans get what they ask… what do you get for your vote?
You sound like a republican over here just trying to demoralize this reality. Let’s see how 2024 goes. I’m sure the gop is gonna do reallllly well with their continued bullshit. /s
Found the asshole.
Right? It’s one of those headlines where you go “duh…”.
Now we need to fucking vote.
Joe biden lobbied to remove last leg of BK protection as senator from DE
Obama reformed student loan into clown shit it is today…
College price gouging are mostly “left” leaning “institutions”
Poorly educated people taking on debt made their choices.
I am sure republicans did their fair share fucking us but wtf is this partisan simping when we are getting tagged teamed?
Now let’s up pull up the GOP record on these things
Oh wait, that doesn’t matter because you’re just a bunch of assholes
There is no me in that…
i am the bottom, not left or right…
but sure, since you brought it up, please bring up a few examples of GOP fucking us over on student loans. I am ready to learn.
Thank you for posting this. I was beginning to become concerned that I’d need to visit Reddit for my fill of disingenuous whataboutism, but this gives me hope that we can cultivate a culture of bad-faith posting right here in the fediverse.
It’s almost kinda fun to start a new block list on a new platform.
The thing I miss about Reddit most is RES – I want to be able to tag these users before I block them outright.
For starters the gop brought the suit against the student debt relief. Why the corrupt federal judge decided they had standing to even do it is beyond me. But oh hey look… That federal judge is also a republican, big surprise.
And crickets because the red hat dunce cap crowd doesn’t do well with facts. They’ll spit lies and then when called out will just fade away and do it again somewhere else.
You can fuck right off with that bad faith “both sides” horseshit. You aren’t fooling anyone, people are wising up to this shitty tactic.
Everyone always seems to forget when congress, mainly the GOP, doubled the student loan interest rates in 2012 and slashed most forms of student financial aid, which is a major contributor to the current financial crisis.
https://money.cnn.com/2012/01/25/news/economy/federal_student_loans/index.htm
Bruh when you have to reach back past 2010 to criticize something Biden did you’ve already lost
That’s pretty bold take. So if we find out Biden murdered a bunch of people in 2009 its okay because it was before 2010. what kind of logic is that. You are basically saying Joe Biden’s entire Senate career is not his responsibility since he was in the Senate from 1972-2009. Lets have some honest discourse here, bring up the full record of people that are alive its the only honest thing to do.
Lets have some honest discourse here, bring up the full record of people that are alive its the only honest thing to do.
Alright then. It’s unfair to hold someone’s vote from considerably earlier against them, when they have voted/signed to the contrary of that and are actively espousing the opposite of their vote. I think it’s dishonest to act otherwise.
You run into issues otherwise where you don’t have the context of the times that they voted during. Student debt is relatively recent problem, ~90s, that has really accelerated the last decade or two. Voting against relief when it was more affordable is a reasonable position. You’ve also got the crime bill, which was passed in a time where crime was a significant concern for voters, and black communities majority favored the bill.
Maybe the best example, gay rights. Don’t Ask Don’t Tell was once liberal policy. LGBT people could work in the military and they wouldn’t be asked about sexuality. Now, we would consider that incredibly homophobic. California even passed a “Defense of Marriage Act” in I think 2007, and has very much so been pro LGBT rights for quite a while since.
(not so) fun fact! That California law was a constitutional amendment and is still on the books. It’s only unenforceable due to a supreme court ruling. You can see where that’s going.
Fortunately it’s looking like Californian’s will get to vote to repeal that amendment next year.
As much as republicans are in the lead when it comes to fucking over the citizenry, agreed that we should continue to hold both sides - and their records - accountable
Everyone should pile the blame on the GOP and current SCOTUS. The only ones not blaming are the ones obviously loving the idea of watching this country go to shit aka their voterbase.
They are “blaming” them too with their praise.
Because it’s their fault. The article should say that in the first place. Trump’s presidency was a shit show, and he resulted in corrupted Supreme Court justices.
Young people blame the people who should be blamed. More news at 11.
(Hey millies and zoomers, you came in clutch during the last two elections. Think you can keep at it?)
I’m ready and waiting. Vote every chance I get!
I suppose. I also point the finger at folks that voted for trump in 2016 or who didn’t vote. Some, particularly non-voters, of them are young…
It’s news to me, usually the youth blame those doing their best to fight the fascists
Not only are conservatives to blame for the unforgiven student debt, they’re to blame for the cost being so high in the first place.
Many people may not know why college tuition has risen, but it can be attributed to the decrease in state funding for higher education during the 1980s and 1990s. This resulted in higher tuition costs when the Gen X generation began attending college. As costs continued to increase, Millennials faced significant debt when they pursued higher education.
Now do the great recession and the cuts there.
Well, yeah. But it’s good to see GOP deflection on this issue isn’t working
I don’t know that they’re even trying. They don’t give a shit what poor young people think, and their asshole supporters parrot that “they don’t deserve it” and “they should’ve known better before they took the loan”… completely ignorant of the massive economic crisis the nation is facing because of it.
“Let’s sell children massive debt by telling them they’ll be loser nobodies without it” - Murica
And then tell them they’re losers when those loans don’t work out.
I’d say they’re accurate.
That’s like saying “Millennials think the sky is blue.”
Good. Finally something those assholes didn’t somehow get people to believe was democrat’s fault
I had 20k I’d saved up during the pandemic to pay off my loans. That was going to go towards my first house but it appears the party of family values wants otherwise.
Well see you just need to win that $900 Million Powerball and the Republicans will do whatever you tell them.
This just in: People guilty of thing are accused of doing the thing.
No shit. It’s their fault. SCOTUS and GOP should be blamed.
Young American here, I blame SCOTUS, GOP, and social media tbh.
why social media?
The Trump admin used the Heroes Act (Passed by George W) to pause student loan interest due to the pandemic. But as soon as the Dems used the exact same Heroes Act to forgive student loans, the GOP SCOTUS said no can do fella.
Also, standing rules were just ignored because of
the lawthey don’t like Biden.The gop has been the hypocritical party of no for decades now. It’s okay when they do something but as soon as a dem tries to do the same thing they have an issue with it.
